Lawson, what's wonderful is that a lot of lives are being saved, esp in the black community, because of this research.
From: "lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 6:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation That's a sticky question. In principle, scientists are supposed to make data available, but personality and agenda can get in the way. A law or regulation was passed about a decade ago requiring that any researchers doing research funded by the NIH would have to make the raw data from such a study easily available to anyone who asked, presumably to address this very issue (personalities and agendas). The requirement also affects data in studies that never get published. That's why the TM researchers are REALLY conservative in asking for NIH funding, I believe. >From the most realistic, albeit cynical, perspective, by the time affects have >been documented over and over again via private pilot studies, published pilot >studies, etc., to the point where pro-TM researchers are pretty darned >positive that large-scale studies are going to show that TM works well on some >measure, they're willing to apply for NIH funding because they MUST be willing >to show the data to anyone who asks. That's why the TM effects on blood pressure seem more robust than on any other topic. They were willing to ask for NIH funding, so they were already pretty darned sure what the outcome was going to be. The same reasons to be skeptical of Big Pharma research apply to TM research is the take-away message -but everyone here already realizes that, I should hope. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote : Lawson, addressing the issue of raw data disclosure, do peer reviewed publications require this? If they do, then I assume Fred's research was fine in this regard. If they don't, then should they? From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 5:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Scientist Reviews Three Types of Meditation Eh, Fred has a PhD in Physiology and has published nearly 50 peer-reviewed studies on meditation. The fact that he doesn't have a neuroscience dept to run doesn't say anything about his research, but is only about what classes are taught at MUM. He's not a bogus scientist simply because he doesn't run a dept that teaches courses in his area of expertise. Head of a dept at a university is an administrative position, not a teaching position. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <anartaxius@...> wrote : In regard to Orme-Jonhson, I was sitting near him once and the discussion he was having with someone had to do with data from the Maharishi Effect research. He mentioned that some other researchers wanted to see the raw data, and it seemed he was not going to give it to them, saying 'You know what they would do with it'. We do indeed know, they'd have a look to see what the hell is going on and blow it out of the water if that's what it deserves. Not letting other researchers look at what it is you've done to reach your conclusions is the very essence of bad science because if it can't be checked there's no reason for anyone to believe it. Especially as it's in such a contentious area. I do remember reading that they'd refused to hand over raw data before but could never find any evidence online, it would have helped in the many arguments I've had about the ME research over the years. Just checking the MUM website, the university does not have a neuroscience department. Fred Travis, for example, is a Professor of Maharishi Vedic Science, not a professor of a scientific discipline that are researching meditation at other universities. Professor of Maharishi Vedic Science? It's like they don't even want to be taken seriously. 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