Jesus F'n Christ, For a moment I thought you acknowledge that you play some role in the toxic exchanges that often take place here.
Fortunately, you didn't. That, would have been a game changer, fersure! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote : BTW, Buck, because you seem to be trying to position yourself as THE expert on who exactly is "entertaining negativity" and who is not, can I ask you for a "final ruling" on something? OK, here's the scenario: -- There's this Internet forum, on which people exchange ideas. -- There's a poster on this forum whose ideas seem to make some of the other posters angry. -- The angry posters have chosen to vent their anger by writing posts badmouthing the person whose ideas make them angry. -- Some of these angry posters have been doing this for YEARS, directing dozens of these venomous putdown posts at the person they're angry at every month. -- The angry posters never seem to be able to address any of the actual *ideas* that have made them so angry; instead they just try to smear the person who wrote them personally. -- The poster they've been stalking, having noticed the trends, some time ago wrote off the angry posters and developed macros that automatically move anything they wrote directly to a Trash folder. He did this so that not only would he never have to respond to their venom, he wouldn't even have to read it in the first place. -- Faced with this development, the angry posters have been stalking him even more than they did before. Now, for the Expert Buck ruling: -- Since you seem to be the self-appointed expert on "entertaining negativity," which of the people in this scenario do you think are the ones guilty of it, and thus damnable in your view? -- Is it the person who doesn't even READ the posts made by the people stalking him, or the people who can't stop reading his presumably negative posts, and can't stop stalking him? Please give us your ruling soon, so the Laws Of Nature will know which of these people to send the drones to kill. :-) From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Well, really there is a much larger communal discussion going on here about dealing with negativity. As such I am not going to entertain your particular negativity around this any further. For to go any further might well necessitate having to denounce you in addition to dredging your negativity further... I'm not sure about the hierarchy of all of this, Buck. Is "denouncing" me worse than sending drones to kill me, which you advocated not long ago? Curious minds want to know. Anyway, I sure am glad to hear there was no "anger" involved with that. and I feel that should not be spiritually useful for either of us right now, according to the teaching. Instead I shall sit in yoga with your energetic resolution of your anger issues. I wish you well, -Buck turquoiseb wrote Son,... How old are you, "Buck?" I'll bet I'm older than you are. ...as a transcendentalist I well know the reality of my inner experience with this and for that I am quite a satisfied customer of the transcending meditation experience. I have no problem with this, and am in fact happy for you that your "inner experience" has been good for you. What I object to is your assumption that YOUR "inner experience" means diddleysquat to anyone else or is good for them. Or even that it should. I know and can certainly trust in the clarity of that reality by the science of my experience, thank you for asking. "That reality" isn't one. It's only your "inner experience." YOUR INNER EXPERIENCE IS NOT REALITY. IT'S ONLY YOUR INNER EXPERIENCE. Get it? I am not going to get down in to your mud to wrestle with you point by point about George Bush, life is too short for that. However there is in deed a discerning and practical spiritual aspect of caution to what Maharishi is getting at with his negativity talk around spiritual practice. I find it wise to take that to heart. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck Sorry, but I can't "take to heart" the possibility that anyone who still tries to end rants by invoking the thoughtstopper "Jai Guru Dev" could possibly be "wise." turquoiseb wrote : Two words: "Scorpion nation." Five more: "George Bush is a rakshasa." Saner persons than you would have looked at this and realized long ago that in Maharishi they were dealing with at best a hypocrite and at worst an insane person. Yet you still seem to consider him some sort of expert. Can you explain to us why you think this? Could it possibly be that the memories of him you're trying to hard to protect do not have and have never had anything to do with reality? So evidently spiritually speaking what Maharishi is saying here is that if one entertains a negativity then one commits a negativity on the subtle. One may even take on the energetics in the subtle. Negativity in form then it seems is like an entity lodging in the system spiritually. Like a stress snag, an entity, like some would call a thought-form, energetically stuck in the fabric of the subtle system. There is proly some truth to that. -Buck Dear FFL, Culturally this particular post below attempting to clarify Maharishi's teaching on negativity is really important. It did not just show up here. And so accordingly, evidently these TM apostates here like MJ, Turqb, CDB here having divorced themselves from things TM are trying to protect what they may well think is their spiritual lives from what they had experienced as a culture of ethical negativity that was TM, so they seem to say. But yet as these guys wallow in their stories even years later does this not continue to bring on them their own negativity. Quite evidently according to what Maharishi is teaching here their own loops in negativity are not really good for these guys. It would be more better if they should be silent about these things of their past and not just keep dredging it up. They really should stop all this negativity for their own good and quite possibly also a larger collective good of everyone. Om, strike that last comment about the larger collective good for it seems that Maharishi actually was not talking about collective good or organizations in these early discourse but more specifically individual spiritual systems. I do hope that their apostate subtle systems may recover in field effect and come to some equanimity around their own individual time in TM. Sincerely, -Buck Maharishi on Negativity: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403800 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403800 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403804 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/403804 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dickmays@...> wrote : Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964 Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards spreading of this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And never undermine any other's attempt or desires in whatever humble way it may be. One thing of very great importance: that now when you have been meditating for some time, purity has grown in life quite a lot. As the mind gains more and more of the Being, mind becomes more and more pure. But one thing which you have to be very cautious about is that you don't think evil of anyone, don't speak ill of anyone. Otherwise speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invite this mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to be cautious against our thoughts that we don't think ill of anyone, and we don't do ill to anyone naturally. Speaking ill of others is a very bad.... We say it makes the cloth dirty, makes the whole personality very dirty and impure. That we have to guard against in our dealings and feelings with people. Very important; very, very important. It is as important as daily practice of meditation. In the olden days in India, there was a practice that if some man did some great sin, then the way to repent it was that he would cover his body with a cloth like that and will go to any village. Standing out of the village, he would shout out: my name is such and such, and I come from that village, and I happened to be doing like that and like that and like that. He would just announce it and go ahead, and keep on announcing from village to village. And the effect was: all the people who heard him, if in their evening meetings with their fellow men, they talk about that, then the contention is that they partake of his sin and after some time he becomes pure. Just by talking about the sinner, the people who talk about him share his sin. This is very dangerous. Someone has done something wrong and if we dwell on that and talk it over with someone, we have been affected by that sin and we spread that sin; we partake of his sin and take it upon us. Anyone who has done any mistake there or there or there, we just don't speak of it. Otherwise we will only be shrouding ourselves with the sins of others. Very important, especially now when through this Transcendental Meditation we are making ourselves more and more full with Being, means more and more full with purity, then we have to guard against this thing which is very dangerous. No one thinks that if I am talking ill of someone, then no one thinks that I am taking over his sin. It is a common practice in the world to simply talk something wrong done by others. It is just very harmful for us. Question (inaudible, about newspaper writers?) They do a great service as far as amending of the wrong is concerned, but as far as partaking of his sin is concerned, they do partake. They help the sinner by spreading the news about him and everybody talks about him, and then all of them partake of the sins. As far as partaking of the sin is concerned, that is helpful for the sinner. In Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna said to Arjuna at one point [Gita 9:1, see below] that I am giving you this most secret wisdom because, one condition out of many that He said was, that you never speak ill of others (anasuya). That is you don't speak ill of others, for this quality in you I think you deserve this wisdom, so I give this wisdom to you. Just this quality of not speaking ill of others. Out of my own experience, I tell you, in the ashram of my Guru Dev, there were 100s of people, all good disciples. And everyone after all is a human being. No aspirant is ever perfect. They come to the feet of the master for that perfection. So everyone has his own failing there and there and there. I had my own failings, I never knew what were they, but must be because no human is ever perfect. One thing I was famous about is that I will not speak ill of anyone. I would always cherish a hope of his becoming better sooner or later. I would always cherish a hope. If someone says: that man has done like that and such a bad man. [I would say:] “Now that he is in the ashram he will improve.” Always I cherish a hope against all the wrongs done by all the people. And the effect that you find today is all this world Movement to bring peace to every man all around the world; it is a very great thing in the long history of the world. This great force of purity and strength for spiritual regeneration of entire mankind, no surprise [that it] is based on the faculty of mind that will not cherish into the wrongs of others. Bhagavad Gita 9:1 The Blessed Lord said: Now I shall fully declare to you, who do not cavil, this the greatest secret, the knowledge combined with the experience, having known which you will be freed from evil. Quote from Upanishads, which was used in Vedic Atom Pledge (1980) Let us be together, Let us eat together, Let us be vital together, Let us be radiating truth, radiating the light of life, Never shall we denounce anyone, never entertain negativity. ================================================== Maharishi on the best principle in life is to find something good in others and talk about that good "Always we take a good attitude about a thing. Any situation we try to mean well. In our heart, in our mind we just take a good aspect of it. Taking like that a few times, we develop a habit of taking the best out of the thing, taking the best out of the situation, making the best out of the situation. Otherwise, it is very easy for us to become so critical: 'That is also not right,' 'This is also bad,' 'No good,' 'No, no, no.' Everywhere 'no' and 'no,' and the whole social behavior gets into a muddle. Because if that attitude becomes a habit, then no matter what comes to us -- 'That is no good' -- we will find a negative aspect and condemn it for that instead of locating a beautiful, good, positive point and accepting it for that. Always we look upon something due to which we can love that thing, that object, that situation. Always. Because if someone is a bad man, at least we should save our heart and our mind by not thinking of the evil doings of his. We will pick up some one good point in him and then admire him for that one good point. We don't mind the other dark side of him. Because if we think of the dark side, we are putting the dark shadow in our heart and mind. If someone is dark, why should we put their dark shadow in our heart and mind by thinking about it? He has done something wrong. Why by thinking of his wrong should we allow that wrong to occupy our heart and mind and muddle our life? And therefore, the best principle in life is: Find out something good in him and talk of that good, that's all. Otherwise, it's very easy when two people sit and talk about it, 'Look at that, that man, that, that, that.' [Audience laughter] Without any reason we bring the bad shadows in our heart and mind. It's lack of skill in viewing things, in commenting on things. Always we pick up a good point. We feel good about it. If we speak, we radiate good in the hearts of others. It's very, very necessary that particularly, particularly with those who are dear to you, when you sit together with them alone, always talk of some good things here and some good things there and some good things here. Then the meeting is of a very, very valuable, beneficial nature. If you sit together and think of that man like that and that man like that, [it's a] waste of life. That meeting is a waste. Never with your friends, with your near ones, with your dear ones do we talk of something negative. Because so many millions of things are there for us to talk [about], why focus on that one [negative] point and unnecessarily make ourself miserable and make that man miserable with whom we are talking? It's very important that we inculcate a habit of looking at the good points of others. And it's very easy to do so particularly when we are meditating and we have more ability to forgive others." ~Maharishi~ ~Squaw Valley, USA -- August 21, 1968 -- Audiotape~ (Message over 64 KB, truncated)
