On 11/16/2014 9:00 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
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...a major infraction of the "Barry Doctrine" - LOL - yes, he is quite
the cranky old fundamentalist, isn't he? Glad you enjoy reading my
experiences, Steve, and yes, they are mine...subjectively, and
objectively.
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/At one point in the conversation, I thought we had reached a peak in
the display of Barry cognitive dissonance, but I was mistaken:
"On the other hand, I cannot expect anyone else to believe that these
experiences had anything to do with enlightenment. And I don't. Also, I
might interpret the experiences in my own way, but that doesn't mean
that anyone else hearing them can't, and won't, interpret them
differently. That they do so doesn't mean that they're attacking me,
merely that they see things a different way, from another point of
view."/ - TurquoiseB
http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg96217.html
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :
Again, what am I missing?
A large part of Barry's content here, is reminding, (okay, usually
yelling at) people, that their subjective experiences don't mean
anything. They are just their own, subjective experiences.
And most people accept that. Or at least the part that they are their
own subjective experiences.
So, when Jim reports his experiences, I think they're pretty cool.
But they arehis experiences.
So, according to Barry, we should be fawning over them?
That would be a major infraction of the "Barry Doctrine"
Barry, we are following the game plan.
It's all good.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote :
*/Game, set, and match again, Curtis. Mr. Angry Little Enlightened Man
has a history of doing stuff like this. Remember not long ago when he
claimed that he wasn't stalking me on the Internet and then tried to
"prove it" by finding a photo of me that he could only have found by
stalking me on the Internet and posted it? What an ass clown.
/*
*/
/*
*/The only thing one needs to remember about Jim Flanegin to put him
into perspective is that after all this time claiming to be
enlightened (how long has be been doing it now...ten years?), he
cannot produce *even a single person* who believes his claims. Not
one. That's pretty pathetic, if only on the level of complete lack of
charisma. /*
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*From:* "curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:34 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of
Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good
Did you just call a stranger on the internet a poopy pants? That is
adorable.
Who's my angry little man? You are, goochi goochi goo. Where's that
smile. Come on, where is that smile Mr. Frowny Pants. There it is! I
see it now. Smile for the bad, bad man whose words make you feel this way.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fleetwood_macncheese@...> wrote :
What a bunch of BS, Curtis. I have seen you be a sneaky, underhanded,
back-stabbing little shit on here, much more than once, which you then
seek to bury, rationalize, and justify, under a ton of words. You are
not evil, Curtis, waaay too petty to be evil - just a mean-spirited,
and unsuccessful, jerk.
This word-flood isn't working, no matter how much rational Curtis, has
convinced asshole Curtis, that it is.
So, save this favorite story for your gullible friends - The rest of
us see right through you. Have a nice day. :-)
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <curtisdeltablues@...> wrote :
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :
WGM4U: Curtis-wiki is useful, but not the final word.
C: I only went there for the quote, I already knew what the phrase
meant and used to own the gag statue.
WGM4U: Hear, see and speak no evil is just a catch-all phrase meaning
stay on the positive side of life, IMHO. If you entertain evil,
indulge in evil, speak evil it pollutes your own soul, why gossip? You
take on that evil, it 'soils' your own soul. It doesn't mean we don't
see things for what they are, we just don't indulge in them in the
same manner. MMY was saying the same thing, I hope this helps you
understand MMY better.
C: I believe that Maharishi's purpose was much more specific than
telling us to be good boys and girls and don't be bad boys and girls.
I am not sure what you mean by "entertaining" evil? Serving it
drinks? After a few bourbons evil always gets grab-assy. I guess
indulging in evil is doing evil things which is kind of obvious. Of
course the people likely to hear and heed such a warning are not
likely to be evil doers in the first place. The value of it is kinda
thin practically speaking. And I am not sure what you mean by
"speaking evil." Buck is using it to mean anyone who states his
disagreement with Maharishi's teaching, so I am not sure what standard
is being invoked here. I think it is nicer to not be a dick to people,
but that is more my preference from my upbringing than anything else.
The reason people gossip is to check their social values allignement
with other people in their tribe. It has a value which is why it is so
popular. But it doesn't have anything to do with my discussions here.
I am not gossiping about Maharishi when I present my POV on him and
his teaching.
What the phrase see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil implies is to
put your head in the sand and ignore "evil." This is Maharishi's
teaching about how to deal with people like me who disagree with his
philosophy. Buck is violating Maharishi's rule about ignoring people
who don't play along with the assumptions of the movement. In the
movement people like me are demonized as being "evil" when we speak up
about our POV. It is a cult move to protect the beliefs. But this
principle gets very tricky when you deal outside the closed belief
system of a cult mindset.
Do you remember the Age of Enlightenment News we used to read to
course participants, stripped of any "negative" news? Is it
entertaining negativity to know about schools being de-funded and
fighting back against the politicians who are doing it? Should we just
not see this evil, or hear about it? Screwing kids out of their chance
out of a good education is evil in my book, but should I ignore it?
What about child abuse? It is by any standard evil right? Should we
not see or hear about it, should we not speak out against it and fight
it where we can?
And what about if we believe in our hearts that a philosophy is flawed
and does harm through irrational beliefs? Is it wrong to notice that
people who are killing the last of our tigers and rhinos on the planet
because they believe in THEIR hearts that these animal's body parts
have magical properties? Should we see this evil and confront it on
the level of education against this irrational belief? Or should we
see no evil?
And what if after 15 years studying Maharishi's teaching and
experiencing his programs I came to the conclusion that there are
faults in his assumptions about what these states of mind mean. What
if I sincerely believed that my experience in the group was a valuable
insight about the teaching from the perspective of an insider. What if
I felt that my POV was as valuable as anyone else's who promote
Maharishi's teaching. Am I being "evil" for expressing my opinion on
an open forum?
WGM4U: Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be
ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. Matt 10:16 King
James
C: I like poetry as much as the next literature fan. But in a world of
wolves, sheep and doves get eaten. I would rather be a human who knows
all about the habits of wolves so I can steer clear of them or if
necessary, deal with them. Sheep and doves are both dumb as rocks.
They are terrible metaphors for how people should live in the world.
But hey, I appreciate your extending the conversation, I really do. We
don't agree about this it seems, or at least are seeing it in
completely different ways. If your way suits you, more power to you. I
am just grateful for an opportunity to write about how I feel about it
and for that, I thank you.
