--- In [email protected], "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Judy Stein writes: > No, I'm not assuming that. But if you're referring > to entering turiya, then "paralysis," as noted, doesn't > make any sense. In turiya, there is no awareness *of* > anything but awareness itself. Turiya is not object- > oriented consciousness; there are no objects of > perception (subjective, as of paralysis, or objective) > in turiya. > > I *think* what you're describing is not turiya but an > integrated state, what TM would call "witnessing," in > meditation. But then your comment above that I wasn't > describing turiya makes no sense. > > Tom T writes: > It has been my experience that the beginning stages of witnessing > were that of paralysis. Not only was there paralysis but there was > knowledge that I was trapped inside this body and a good deal of > fear.
But that wouldn't be turiya. (And you're talking only about witnessing during sleep, right?) > There was enough fear at the beginning to awaken in a cold sweat. As > I became accustomed to this awareness of awareness the fear stopped > and the understanding became clear that I was wide awake inside but > had zero connection to the outside world. Gradually the awareness grew > to include the outside world and encompass it and then it became clear > that awareness does not need the senses to know beyond the body. Then > I could be awake inside and watch dreams start, run their course and > then stop and still I was wide awake inside totally sitting in the > darkness and silence. It no longer mattered whether the conventional > senses worked because the awareness was larger than this body. The > most common awareness was that of the same old bedroom, the same old > bed and the same old guy lying on the bed snoring his brains out. This > gradually led to the ramping down of the bedroom and allowing that to > be like background noise that is just there and doesn't need any > attending to. After a longer period I have realized that the awareness > has encompassed a fairly large amount of creation and that also just > runs in the background like music in the background. There but not > demanding all my attention. Tom > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
