Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fourth?

[Vaj]

On Nov 21, 2005, at 3:15 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Nov 21, 2005, at 8:49 AM, sparaig wrote: The spontaneous episodes of breath suspension during samadhi in TM are easily interupted, by tapping someone on the shoulder or otherwise getting their attention. How do you show that someone  is truely paralyzed in your world BTW? It's something you would have to experience, it's just the best way to describe it. So, where's the peer reviewed research on the phenomenon? Apparently there is and it's been going on a long time--since at   least 1955: "The most accomplished among these seven subjects, moreover,   exhibited "progressive and very spectacular modifications" in  their   EEG records during their deepest meditations, including recurrent   beta rhythms of 18-20 cycles per second in the Rolandic area of  the   brain, a generalized fast activity of small amplitude as high as   40-45 cycles per second with occasional amplitudes reaching 30 to  50   microvolts, and the reappearance of slower alpha waves after  samadhi,   or ecstasy, ended. In summarizing their study, Das and Gastaut   concluded that: The modifications [we] recorded during very deep meditation are  much   more dramatic than those known up till now, which leads us to  suppose   that western subjects are far from being able to attain the yogi   state of mental concentration. It is probable that this supreme concentration of attention . . .  is   responsible for the perfect insensibility of the yogi during  samadhi;   this insensibility, accompanied by immobility and pallor often led   people to describe this state as sleep, lethargy, anesthesia, or   coma. The electroencephalographic evidence here described  contradicts   such opinions and suggests that a state of intense generalized   cortical stimulation is sufficient to explain such states without   having to invoke associated processes of diffuse or local  inhibition   (Das and Gastaut, 1955)." http://www.noetic.org/research/medbiblio/ch1.htm ITs really hard to generalize from an article from 1955. Scientific  apparatus and techniques have matured greatly since then. Also, how  do you know it was the specific technique you've been referring to?  Even if given the same name, do you know if the teachers were from  the same tradition? Telephone effect and all that... It's just an example from 1955 describing samadhi and using virtually identical adjectives. Take it for what you will--the yogic tradition has been familiar with these adjectives from experience for much longer than 1955. It's just part of the way it is taught, when it's taught fully. I liked Rick's example he gave of the guru M. took his students to who exhibited the same state. M. admitted his students could not do this. Still can't or I'm sure we'd see it being used to market falling sales :-). Recent research has been even more provocative IMO. It's all interesting. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.