You're tying yourself into knots and over intellectualizing. You got
hung up on the word "your". How am I supposed to put it? In some
complicated way that no one would understand. Sorry, but you know what
I mean by that statement and tell us what happens when you do that
exercise. Before I learned TM back in 1973 I was reading Raman
Maharishi so been there, done that, got the t-shirt or was it a dhoti?
It's not that complicated so don't make more complicated than it is.
Enlightenment is not a 24/7 acid trip but there are plenty of dummies
waiting for that experience.
On 12/15/2014 04:46 PM, Duveyoung wrote:
noozguru wrote : "Close your eyes and tells us where your awareness
ends."
Every time I write about this stuff I get just a bit more able to keep
to the central issues. So on that level, I thank you for the reply.
Awareness is not consciousness. You, above, used the word "your" as
if my ego (or my nervous system, my mind, my brain and/or my Being --
take your pick) had some sort of natural right to "own" awareness as
if "it" were some sort of personal "thing" over which I would have
some sort of hegemony. BAH! Awareness is beyond beginnings and
endings -- it's not a dimensional thing or "it" or whatever -- if you
have a category, piss off, awareness is beyond it no matter what.
Whatever my mind is able to do is a product of my nervous system --
NOT AWARENESS.
Compare: Awareness "is" beyond the "does or does not;" whereas, mind
is a processing of, what?, billions of chemical operations per
"thought?" THAT'S NOT AWARENESS.
Awareness is not a doing or non-doing. It's not an "it." It's not in
or out of existence. That which is aware is awareness solely --
consciousness merely attempts to chemically embody and internally
structure itself to symbolize awareness -- this is labeled "I am." If
a thought comes, "I am" changes to "I am that thought." That's
consciousness pretending it is sentient. BAH. Consciousness is an
identity whore. The monkey who will jump to any branch -- that's the
Ved symbol for how the mind attends to its processes -- NOT how
awareness or identity is "changing or moving or whatever."
Awareness is beyond isness and isnotness. Consciousness (Being) is all
about parochial expression in a nervous system. (I'm willing to grant
that maybe the universe is a giant nervous system and that that would
be the foundation of our understanding of the term, "universal
consciousness."
Remember, I'm not the person saying this shit. I'm merely reporting
Advaita axioms -- why? -- because I think we'd all be edified to see
this CRUCIAL difference between these two concepts of awareness and
consciousness. The concept, awareness, is merely a place holder for
"we don't have a way to conceptualize this non-this non-thingy thingy."
Had enough of me? Don't blame you, so here's Nisargadatta -- who was
the real deal as far as I can tell from my many years of reading his
shit. But what would I know? One thing I bet is that no one here can
best his logic about the present issue.
Here:
"Maharaj: The present 'I am' is as false as the 'I was' and 'I shall be'.
It is merely an idea in the mind, an impression left by memory, and
the separate identity it creates is false.
This habit of referring to a false centre must be done away with, the
notion 'I see', 'I feel', 'I think', 'I do', must disappear from the
field of consciousness; what remains when the false is no more, is real."
and:
"There can be no transition from consciousness to awareness, for
awareness is not a form of consciousness. Consciousness can only
become more subtle and refined and that is what happens after death.
As the various vehicles of man die off, the modes of consciousness
induced by them also fade away."
---In [email protected], <noozguru@...> wrote :
Close your eyes and tells us where your awareness ends.
On 12/15/2014 01:59 PM, Duveyoung wrote:
What the fuck's with youse guys -- I post a few comic blurbs about
awareness not being consciousness, and all I get is "you're a putz"
and "age?"
How very fucking indecent of you -- those are two INHUMAN responses.
Utterly void of good intent.
These are your fucking personalities? -- this is what you get up with
in the morning? You life is funzies only if you're able to
maliciously heap up on someone with a strong opinion where you have,
it seems, killed that area of your brains that could support that
opinion? -- with previously indulged in hate, anger, life-long
recriminations of failure? -- WHAT?
HOLY FUCK, HOW MISERABLE ARE YOU?
It's shit like those responses that ENCOURAGE Willy etc. He's just
too stupid to mount up to your level of smarm. That makes you his
mentor.
Have either of you two ever tried to get ONE TRUTH explicated,
deconstructed, approached, hinted at? -- anything you can brag about
having brought to this community that is, you know, SPIRITUALLY WORTH
ANYONE'S NOTICE?
"Awareness is not consciousness." That's fucking gold. That could be
the start of ten thousand good conversations. What have you brought
to this community that has this clarifying power?
Fuck your history, your celebrity name dropping, your travel shit,
your computers-honcho shit, your astrology shit, your Sanskrit shit,
your tantra shit, -- NAME ONE THING TRUE YOU'VE CHAMPIONED that has
any value in helping other here gain clarity about the human
condition. At best you're parroting other opinions instead of trying
to ferret out the truth with the minds that come here every day and
willing to do that spade work.
You're both a couple of righteous ass pricks as far as your actions
here go. Snobs. But your're nothing-known-very-well snobs -- the
worse kind. At best, you're C+ personalities. You're whistling past
the graveyard on most topics -- afraid you'll be found lacking.
I admit my many difficulties arriving at clarity, but you two strut
around here like you're on some sort of stilts, and you do so when
there's folks here that outrank you in every way possible: spiritual,
psychological, sociological, career-wise, money-wise, IQ-wise,
heart-wise, education-wise, world-experience-wise, and on and on, and
you two just are the spitball champs snickering in the back of the class.
It's low. It's small. It's not gunna get ya into a high heaven.
And worst of all, your spitballs are pathetic -- you don't even have
a Don Rickles funny-side to your posts -- no bite, no irony, no
satire -- all we get from you two is a total lack of creativity in
every single post I've ever read of yours -- and I read almost all of
them. You both stink of ego that's been hardened into a sour POV
that's just not going to get straightened out in the life left to
you. Sucks, eh?
---In [email protected], <noozguru@...> wrote :
Close your eyes and tells us where your awareness ends.
On 12/15/2014 01:59 PM, Duveyoung wrote:
What the fuck's with youse guys -- I post a few comic blurbs about
awareness not being consciousness, and all I get is "you're a putz"
and "age?"
How very fucking indecent of you -- those are two INHUMAN responses.
Utterly void of good intent.
These are your fucking personalities? -- this is what you get up with
in the morning? You life is funzies only if you're able to
maliciously heap up on someone with a strong opinion where you have,
it seems, killed that area of your brains that could support that
opinion? -- with previously indulged in hate, anger, life-long
recriminations of failure? -- WHAT?
HOLY FUCK, HOW MISERABLE ARE YOU?
It's shit like those responses that ENCOURAGE Willy etc. He's just
too stupid to mount up to your level of smarm. That makes you his
mentor.
Have either of you two ever tried to get ONE TRUTH explicated,
deconstructed, approached, hinted at? -- anything you can brag about
having brought to this community that is, you know, SPIRITUALLY WORTH
ANYONE'S NOTICE?
"Awareness is not consciousness." That's fucking gold. That could be
the start of ten thousand good conversations. What have you brought
to this community that has this clarifying power?
Fuck your history, your celebrity name dropping, your travel shit,
your computers-honcho shit, your astrology shit, your Sanskrit shit,
your tantra shit, -- NAME ONE THING TRUE YOU'VE CHAMPIONED that has
any value in helping other here gain clarity about the human
condition. At best you're parroting other opinions instead of trying
to ferret out the truth with the minds that come here every day and
willing to do that spade work.
You're both a couple of righteous ass pricks as far as your actions
here go. Snobs. But your're nothing-known-very-well snobs -- the
worse kind. At best, you're C+ personalities. You're whistling past
the graveyard on most topics -- afraid you'll be found lacking.
I admit my many difficulties arriving at clarity, but you two strut
around here like you're on some sort of stilts, and you do so when
there's folks here that outrank you in every way possible: spiritual,
psychological, sociological, career-wise, money-wise, IQ-wise,
heart-wise, education-wise, world-experience-wise, and on and on, and
you two just are the spitball champs snickering in the back of the class.
It's low. It's small. It's not gunna get ya into a high heaven.
And worst of all, your spitballs are pathetic -- you don't even have
a Don Rickles funny-side to your posts -- no bite, no irony, no
satire -- all we get from you two is a total lack of creativity in
every single post I've ever read of yours -- and I read almost all of
them. You both stink of ego that's been hardened into a sour POV
that's just not going to get straightened out in the life left to
you. Sucks, eh?
