There are household yogis and there are solitary yogis, Buck. Sometimes when solitary yogis enter a group they may not understand group dynamics. That's pretty evident on FFL.
What you need to understand, is that some of the current informants may not be on a spiritual path at all being materialists and all - this posting may be the entire extent of their spiritual practice these days. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Some people evidently do groups better than others, how then to bring diverse peoples back in to a larger civil group context though? So far as I can tell, there are only about 3 real householder yogis on this list - the others seem to be kind of isolated. This may be their only contact with other yogis. Living in Fairfield or Austin gives us the opportunity to engage with seekers of many different disciplines, but when you're isolated, living in the back of beyond on the road to erewhon, this may be all the spiritual discussion they get every day. At least judging from what they've posted in over a decade. It's sometimes difficult to imagine a real yogi watching a broadcast TV show. LoL! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote: Some leaving from that level of a communal brotherhood then, separated going out and coming back in to society as an individual without a ready bond of group one may not know who to trust. One can imagine the psychological distress for some people when they leave something like this level of connection within group that they loved for a time. It can be an exercise for some depending on personal resources. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Coping then with a loss of a level of communal 'brotherhood' for those being turned out in larger society like happened at a time with some old TM'ers, then places like yahoo-groups tries in form to offer a resting place for folks to come together within accepting groups guidelines. Some people evidently do groups better than others, how then to bring diverse peoples back in to a larger civil group context though? The yahoo-groups guidelines as a template are a thoughtful attempt at the exercise of group civility and cohesion. Evidently in coming in to cohesion it takes both a personal and group constitution in self-control, and hence a discipline and moderation by the individual and the group to be of benefit to the individual or the group. ---In FairfieldLife@, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : This Reverse Archery guy writing here must be a cousin of Rick Archer's, he seems pretty reasonable. Turqb is proly not all bad as a person. One can kind of understand some of these old TM'ers here in frequenting FFL the way they do yet looking for community as they once had. That communal something, that brotherhood that they had during their formative heady days of youth whence TM was coming in to its own back in the 60's and 70's. Those were powerful times in camaraderie, something that some people may not ascend to have in their lives like that at all. There are few environments or careers that produce or give that level of feeling of purpose and communal connectedness. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : A lot of old TM'ers like several here on FFL as they formatively 'came of age' it was back in the heady days of TM in the 60's and 70's. At a time that may have been one of those more powerful times of community for some in their whole lives. Some people in their early lives may never really have a cultivated experience of community, of navigating a healthy bonded group experience, like army brats that get moved frequently around in their youth may miss out on this in those formative years. TM for some may well have been that most powerful experience of group community, of brotherhood in anything. Seeing this or making note of it I feel makes sympathetic characters of several people you see in TM or here on FFL. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <reverse_archery@...> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <curtisdeltablues@...> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <reverse_archery@...> wrote : From Jim: Thanks for clearing that up, Curtis. I apologize for assuming it was you. Whoever it was, I am glad they are gone, and given what you have to say below, please don't trip over yourself, trying to join The Peak. Perhaps you and Barry can start your own forum - Best of luck! Me: Could have been cleared up before the accusation was posted, but better late than never. You got your dig in on me even though it was manufactured, and now the retraction can be posted on page 17 near the garden club announcements. Oh well, Internet life.. Jim: Oh, its not all fluff over there. Here's a piece I wrote about Barry yesterday. Enjoy! "Ha! What nonsense from him. I remember about ten years ago, interacting with Barry, and he was a different person. But, when I recognized around that time, that my experience and my life were meeting the criteria for spiritual liberation, or enlightenment, and decided to come out of the closet about it on FFL, he kinda flipped out, and hasn’t been the same since. In evaluating what he has to say, regarding these endless rants against TM, it suddenly occurred to me that if I were to compare Barry’s REAL life, against mine and those in my social circle, he has accomplished very little. He strikes me as someone who has lived so much of his life in a spiritual cocoon, and wearing his ‘anti-cult’ glasses, now spreads the warning *of his own experience* tirelessly, not realizing that most of us, certainly everyone I know, has managed to simply elude the snares he rails against incessantly. His life’s reality, focused unerringly on turning others away from the spiritual dependency he lived for decades, is so tiny, so restricted, so unsuccessful, compared to the life I live, it becomes something very much about Barry, but with little relevance to me. He has made up his mind long ago about those who have faithfully practiced TM, and the notion that someone has accomplished the goal, in spite of his judgments and assumptions, drives him mad. It is just not at all my problem, and something he will have to resolve on his own. Or not. :-)" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Coping then with a loss of a level of communal 'brotherhood' for those being turned out in larger society like happened at a time with some old TM'ers, then places like yahoo-groups tries in form to offer a resting place for folks to come together within accepting groups guidelines. Some people evidently do groups better than others, how then to bring diverse peoples back in to a larger civil group context though? The yahoo-groups guidelines as a template are a thoughtful attempt at the exercise of group civility and cohesion. Evidently in coming in to cohesion it takes both a personal and group constitution in self-control, and hence a discipline and moderation by the individual and the group to be of benefit to the individual or the group. ---In FairfieldLife@, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : This Reverse Archery guy writing here must be a cousin of Rick Archer's, he seems pretty reasonable. Turqb is proly not all bad as a person. One can kind of understand some of these old TM'ers here in frequenting FFL the way they do yet looking for community as they once had. That communal something, that brotherhood that they had during their formative heady days of youth whence TM was coming in to its own back in the 60's and 70's. Those were powerful times in camaraderie, something that some people may not ascend to have in their lives like that at all. There are few environments or careers that produce or give that level of feeling of purpose and communal connectedness. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : A lot of old TM'ers like several here on FFL as they formatively 'came of age' it was back in the heady days of TM in the 60's and 70's. At a time that may have been one of those more powerful times of community for some in their whole lives. Some people in their early lives may never really have a cultivated experience of community, of navigating a healthy bonded group experience, like army brats that get moved frequently around in their youth may miss out on this in those formative years. TM for some may well have been that most powerful experience of group community, of brotherhood in anything. Seeing this or making note of it I feel makes sympathetic characters of several people you see in TM or here on FFL. -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <reverse_archery@...> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <curtisdeltablues@...> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <reverse_archery@...> wrote : From Jim: Thanks for clearing that up, Curtis. I apologize for assuming it was you. Whoever it was, I am glad they are gone, and given what you have to say below, please don't trip over yourself, trying to join The Peak. Perhaps you and Barry can start your own forum - Best of luck! Me: Could have been cleared up before the accusation was posted, but better late than never. You got your dig in on me even though it was manufactured, and now the retraction can be posted on page 17 near the garden club announcements. Oh well, Internet life.. Jim: Oh, its not all fluff over there. Here's a piece I wrote about Barry yesterday. Enjoy! "Ha! What nonsense from him. I remember about ten years ago, interacting with Barry, and he was a different person. But, when I recognized around that time, that my experience and my life were meeting the criteria for spiritual liberation, or enlightenment, and decided to come out of the closet about it on FFL, he kinda flipped out, and hasn’t been the same since. In evaluating what he has to say, regarding these endless rants against TM, it suddenly occurred to me that if I were to compare Barry’s REAL life, against mine and those in my social circle, he has accomplished very little. He strikes me as someone who has lived so much of his life in a spiritual cocoon, and wearing his ‘anti-cult’ glasses, now spreads the warning *of his own experience* tirelessly, not realizing that most of us, certainly everyone I know, has managed to simply elude the snares he rails against incessantly. His life’s reality, focused unerringly on turning others away from the spiritual dependency he lived for decades, is so tiny, so restricted, so unsuccessful, compared to the life I live, it becomes something very much about Barry, but with little relevance to me. He has made up his mind long ago about those who have faithfully practiced TM, and the notion that someone has accomplished the goal, in spite of his judgments and assumptions, drives him mad. It is just not at all my problem, and something he will have to resolve on his own. Or not. :-)"
