The two extreme polar opposites as possibly electable candidates is a pretty 
interesting scenario for this country, reflecting as you state, the increasing 
social and economic stress of the need for change on so many levels.  Hillary 
is in the middle of this maelstrom and trying to establish herself as the 
candidate of the "middle way."   

---In, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote :

 I am anything but apathetic, however Trump is very much a creation of our 
design. Big Biz feels increasingly emboldened by the steady stream of successes 
they have accomplished; off-shoring jobs, wage stagnation, lowest taxes ever 
especially for the investment bankers, no minimum wage increases, off-shore 
bank accounts for tax evasion, trillion dollar bailouts with no jail time, and 
the list continues. This creation of a wealthy class essentially above the law, 
with its consequent strain on our economy, has created a tremendous amount of 
social stress as well. So the conditions are perfect for someone like Trump to 
show up, throw out a lot of simplistic ideas and slogans, and draw big crowds 
and media attention. He is getting a lot of power from people's 
dissatisfaction, and continues to tell them what they want to hear. He is a 
mirror of our social discontent.

 Fortunately, in addition to the fantasy offered by Trump, Bernie Sanders is 
providing the *rational response* to these very skewed economic conditions, by 
setting out some fairly simple fixes centered around all of us paying our fair 
share of taxes. Getting everyone to pay their fair share, especially those who 
employ armies of tax consultants for tax avoidance, is not a fix in and of 
itself, but it will ensure we all have equal skin in the game. Governor Kasich, 
one of the Republican candidates, said that during the GW Bush administration, 
by allowing the rich to avoid taxes and starting two wars, we blew a FIVE 
TRILLION dollar surplus. That would kind of come in handy now...

 So we created Trump, his power and his ugly ideas, but the same conditions 
have also created an opening for Bernie Sanders, and getting this country off 
this dysfunctional path of easy fixes up front, with devastating consequences 
 ---In, <emily.mae50@...> wrote :

 No, he is NOT!  The media fascination with such a disordered individual should 
not dictate apathy and resignation to the "The Lord of the Flies" storyline.  
He won't and can't win.  And, yes, God help us.  

---In, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote :

 He was inevitable. He is our All American hero, and God help us.

---In, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :


---In, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote :

 I don't understand why everyone is so confounded by Trump. I sat in a lot of 
corporate meetings and men (and  women) like him are everywhere. I guess it is 
surprising to a lot of people how ugly corporate business has become, with a 
winner take all/loser gets nothing attitude, and a flood of overly macho, war 
and sports oriented rhetoric. Guys like Trump are a dime a dozen. People make 
him out to be some sort of anomaly, perhaps not wanting to believe the country 
is full of such individuals. Ooops.

 It is not that I haven't seen this in the business world, especially as a 
woman. But Trump goes beyond the ugly aspect of the alpha male, 
testosterone-fueled competitiveness for more than their market share and 
everyone else be damned phenomenon that happens all the time. He is running for 
office, and not just any office. He is thriving on and promoting hatred, not 
simply looking for some leg up on his business/market competitors. This is much 
bigger, this is much more odious in the sense that it goes beyond money or what 
land gets developed for another Target store. Trump is insatiable. He has 
already proven himself in the business world, for better or for worse, and now 
he is going after the Presidency? What for? Well, evidently because he is power 
mad. He is linked into some power buzz and he is beyond rehabilitation. He can 
not help or stop himself no matter what the cost. I can only hope that where 
there is darkness there will be a responding light. Where there is depravity 
then a opportunity for goodness and love will open up. I am not so much 
confounded by Trump but by how many support him. There are plenty of horrific 
humans on the planet but I never dreamed so many people would revel in one as 
dreadful as him.
---In, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :


---In, <emily.mae50@...> wrote :

 Yep, this nails it pretty well.  He's in it for the *win* and increasingly 
seems to believe his own narrative.  He's completely insane.  

 Yes he is and those who find him to be their 'answer' are blind and committed 
to repeating history within 70 years of WWII with all its atrocities and 
brutalities brought on by Hitler and his henchmen. I don't get it, not at all. 
What a stink, what hate lies within the crevices of American society and Trump 
is someone so full of the same that he has appealed to those who want an excuse 
to let all of this pus, this rottenness come to the surface. But, this is no 
purification process, this is becoming a mob scene where the worst of what 
makes up human's baser characteristics is taking over. I am becoming more 
horrified by the day.  

---In, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :

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