Apples and oranges, Mike. 

---In, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 What if, what if ,what if...What if it were God's plan that Sharon Tate die a 
bloody death. Do we accept that Charlie Manson was doing God's will and let him 
out of prison?


 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <>
 Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 7:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is what Amerika's gonna be...
   And, perhaps the plan for the "life" is to remain *unborn*, or to be born 
through/in other circumstance.  Assuming, also, you believe in the "soul 
energy" and "eternal life."  "Judge not lest ye be judged."  You cannot say you 
know what "God's will" is for another human being. Having said that, I admire 
your command of Biblical scripture.  
 ---In, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Except one thing Emily, that verse goes on to describe God's plan for 
Jeremiah's life. "I set you apart to be a prophet to the nations".
  A prophet is a man that God speaks through to the rest of humanity, in this 
case, the *nations*, gentiles, non- Jews.\ And in this very verse, the 
prophetic voice is saying to the nations that God creates life in the womb and 
has a plan for that life, even that he knew you before he created you in the 
womb. This very verse describes why abortion is murder and  unacceptable. When 
you kill the fetus, you kill God's work.


 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <>
 Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 5:24 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is what Amerika's gonna be...

   Not at all, Mike, not at all.  "Not born".....remember "I knew you before 
you were born......" And, in that statement, there is much room for the 
presumption that Mike does not *know* God's plan!  There are many things that 
cannot be rationalized, imho, and the spiritual context for birth is one of 
them.  Leave room for the idea that you have *no idea* what you are talking 


---In, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 So to you, *unborn* makes them less of a person, less of a life, just a lump 
of tissue. More rationalization.

 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <>
 Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 4:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is what Amerika's gonna be...

   Yahoo just refused to send my reply!  A sign that I've said enough.  

 Re: your questions.  The key word is "unborn" Mike.  So many things about that 
word are out of your purview, spiritual and otherwise. I suggest you meditate 
on that word for awhile! :)  Advocate for what you believe in, of course.  

 You know, I recently started volunteering for an organization that houses 
homeless families.  At the location I'm at, there are 50 kids.  Fifty!  The 
price of housing here has skyrocketed and there are serious economic 
consequences in play. Nor do we a good job of settling our refugees.  Here, we 
give them $1,000 for 3 months and send them on their way; that doesn't even 
come close to covering the cost of renting an apartment. Many do not speak 
English and cannot find work.  It's ridiculous.  Reportedly, it takes at least 
18 months to get on one's feet—3 months is a ridiculous time to assume 
assimilation at even the most basic levels.  It's been a real eye opener in a 
lot of ways.  Service can be achieved in many ways, but it's good for us all to 
get out of ourselves and off our self-righteous asses to join the community and 
do our part.  I'm no poster child however, and choose to reserve judgment on 
your behind!   

---In, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Am I the one playing God when I advocate for the life of the unborn or is the 
person deciding *not in my womb* ?
 Service and compassion? Is the woman killing her unborn child offering either?

 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <>
 Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 2:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is what Amerika's gonna be...

   Really?  Relationships take work Mike and "faith without works is dead," as 
they say.  I find it ironic how you can judge the woman who has an abortion 
(maybe because she believes she can't "afford" it, lets just say) and get all 
righteous behind: your brand of interpretation of scripture; what the 
Constitution was intending; and, the reasoning that the woman has a inviolable 
responsibility to forward that particular soul's "karma" (Ever thought about 
the idea that the soul, should it be ready to incarnate, could be perfectly 
accepting in respecting the answer of "no" of whom it has "asked" and be 
willing to be hosted by another?)........and in almost the same breath, you 
blame and denigrate and rail against the mother who agrees to risk having the 
child, if she doesn't meet *your* standards.  Who are you to think you should 
play God!  Jesus was about service to others' Mike.  Maybe, take that 
relationship to your heart and put some of your hard earned retirement time 
where your mouth is and exercise that other quality that Jesus has—compassion.  


---In, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Ollie, one can get hung up in *religion* or hung up in a relationship with the 
Almighty. Scripture can help you do either one.I'll take the relationship one.

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" <>
 Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 1:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is what Amerika's gonna be...

 Yep, I understand your point, Mike. If I believed as you do, what you have 
written below, I would feel quite a commitment to "save" others also. I mean 
that with all respect for your faith. Equally so, I hope you can accept that I 
see it as opinion and interpretation, even the biblical prophet bit that many 
accept as truth with a capital "T". Sounds like a great way to answer every 
question - for yourself and others so inclined. 

 However, there are many many paths to God, and yours is simply one of them. 
Please let the rest of us find our own way too. It is eminently possible to 
live a good, moral, God loving life, without the Christian faith, or any of 
them, actually. There is also no universal requirement to take Jesus Christ as 
one's savior, though he apparently serves in that role for quite a few people. 
I am not knocking it, just saying that this is not a *requirement* for a 
spiritually oriented life.

 I see any religion as more a personal preference, though exposure to religion 
is very useful, so that we have a choice to adopt a strong identification with 
it, or not. Religion also exposes us to the many ways we can approach God, for 
example, prayer, hymns, and meditating. At this time in my life, I choose not 
to follow (or oppose) any religion, and focus my efforts on directly enjoying 
God's creation, instead. No subtitles.:-)

 ---In, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 BTW Ollie,a Biblical Prophet is one who is ordained by God Almighty to be His 
spokesperson. This verse clearly says that Jeremiah is God's messenger to the 
Gentiles, the Nations, non Jews. He clearly says that it is He that forms us in 
our mothers womb and that He knew you before He started and that He has a plan 
for your life. If you interfere in that plan by killing someone that He is 
creating for His purposes, that is the ultimate evil. That is Satanic/Demonic.

 Isaiah says  *woe*, that is great grief, suffering and trouble for those that 
can't distinguish right from wrong and confuse the two.
 Karma's a bitch!

 From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: "" <> 
 Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 6:33 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is what Amerika's gonna be...

 You quote Samuel Clemence and I quote the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. 

 You brought up religion with your justifications of abortion and deeming 
interference with a woman's right to choose as sin. 
My original argument was purely constitutional.


 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" <>
 Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is what Amerika's gonna be...

 "Man is kind enough when he is not excited by religion" - Mark Twain


 ---In, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 JEREMIAH 1:5  I knew you before I formed you in your mother's womb. Before you 
were born I set you apart and appointed you as my prophet to the nations.
 Abortion is clearly not life sustaining or supporting.
 ISAIAH 5:20 Woe unto those that call good bad and bad good.

 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" <>
 Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 5:59 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is what Amerika's gonna be...

 It is clearly the woman's vessel that carries the embryo until it is born as a 
human being, and she certainly has the inalienable right to treat that embryo 
any way she chooses to, including the choice to get rid of it. No harm, no 
foul, no sin, and no problem, unless the men decide to make it one, which of 
course goes against the will of God. 


 So you see, by opposing a woman's right to an abortion it is you who commits 
the sin, by denying her freedom. Those preaching this anti-abortion message are 
the great sinners, the ones that deny God the freedom he gave each of us. So, 
Mike, please go forth and sin no more. Men denying women the right to an 
abortion is clearly a massive sin under God, and always will be. There will 
never be a sane justification to do so.

 By the same token, a woman choosing an abortion for whatever reason is 
sinless, and will always be. The notion of sin doesn't even enter into such an 
action. It is completely morally justified and a very very personal choice, 
needing no interference from the self-righteous and anti-social elements in 
this country. This argument that it is "murder" is so crazy, and designed for 
maximum guilt-tripping. How can something unable to exist in the world be 
murdered? Makes no sense, and is simply mental gymnastics employed for this 
repressive thinking. More medieval thinking.

 It amazes me that this is even an issue in 2016. 

 ---In, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 No Ollie, it's not OK. "We hold these truths to be self evident, that ALL men 
are are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain 
unalienable rights, among them are *LIFE*, Liberty and the pursuit of 
happiness." OK?

 It's not her body. That can be proven with a simple DNA test.


 From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" <>
 Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 1:58 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is what Amerika's gonna be...

   Yo, those two objects between your legs are referred to as "testicles", not 
"ovaries", so I hate to break it to you, but you will never be able to give 
birth, or have an abortion. Therefore your opinion on abortion is about as 
meaningless as if you had one on breast pumps. Nothing personal, but I think it 
is a good idea if we each stick to opinions on our own equipment, period. 
Otherwise, it just sounds mean-spirited, sexist, anti-social, arrogant, 
selfish, and dictatorial, OK?

 The other side of that single parent coin: Yeah, there is a breakdown of the 
family, in line with stagnation of wages, union busting, jobs going overseas, 
the economic destruction of the middle class, etc. making the option for a 
stay-at-home parent very difficult, or impossible. Once both parents were 
required to work, it became much more difficult to raise families - day care is 
very expensive.  
---In, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :


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