"....threw out...." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emily.mae50@...> wrote :
Awwww, I just through out a couple of suppositions for the purpose of expressing a little righteous indignation about your righteous certainty. I am not qualified to have such a discussion. :) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Obviously you do or we wouldn't even be conversing about it. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is what Amerika's gonna be... Well, I have no intention to have a conversation about "God's will" I assure you. My general purpose in referencing "God's plan" and "God's will" was to refute your seeming arrogant surety that you are *RIGHT*, morally or spiritually in your assessment and condemnation of women who choose to exercise their right to abort. "Apples and oranges" in the sense that there is no way to even try to tie a decision on whether or not to bring a new life into the world to a decision by a crazed psychopathic madman to kill human beings already here! Sorry, can't get there. Yes, most agree that humans have "free will" - and free will is involved in both those decisions - if that's what you mean. If you want to keep the "blame" game going in your head, here's an idea. Focus on how states could legislate male reproductive rights. Creative guy that you are, you should be able to come up with something! It's not like women are experiencing "immaculate conception," after all. I hate to tell you, and perhaps I'll suffer in hell for awhile for this, but I don't really consider abortion even a moral issue. I believe in the woman's right to choose, period. There is no way on God's green earth I'm going to anyone, let alone a male dictate that decision for me. I will bear the ultimate responsibility for my decision, either way. Therefore, it is mine to make. I think abortion should be legal, safe, affordable and de-stigmatized. If a woman of any age, for any reason, isn't ready to have a child, and finds herself pregnant, than she should be allowed the option to abort and it should be a medically safe procedure. I believe strongly in birth control, in sex education, in educating boys and girls, and in the woman's right to choose. Consciously! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : We're talking about conscious decisions by human beings as opposed to God's will. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is what Amerika's gonna be... Apples and oranges, Mike. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : What if, what if ,what if...What if it were God's plan that Sharon Tate die a bloody death. Do we accept that Charlie Manson was doing God's will and let him out of prison? From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is what Amerika's gonna be... And, perhaps the plan for the "life" is to remain *unborn*, or to be born through/in other circumstance. Assuming, also, you believe in the "soul energy" and "eternal life." "Judge not lest ye be judged." You cannot say you know what "God's will" is for another human being. Having said that, I admire your command of Biblical scripture. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Except one thing Emily, that verse goes on to describe God's plan for Jeremiah's life. "I set you apart to be a prophet to the nations". A prophet is a man that God speaks through to the rest of humanity, in this case, the *nations*, gentiles, non- Jews.\ And in this very verse, the prophetic voice is saying to the nations that God creates life in the womb and has a plan for that life, even that he knew you before he created you in the womb. This very verse describes why abortion is murder and unacceptable. When you kill the fetus, you kill God's work. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is what Amerika's gonna be... Not at all, Mike, not at all. "Not born".....remember "I knew you before you were born......" And, in that statement, there is much room for the presumption that Mike does not *know* God's plan! There are many things that cannot be rationalized, imho, and the spiritual context for birth is one of them. Leave room for the idea that you have *no idea* what you are talking about! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : So to you, *unborn* makes them less of a person, less of a life, just a lump of tissue. More rationalization. From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is what Amerika's gonna be... Yahoo just refused to send my reply! A sign that I've said enough. Re: your questions. The key word is "unborn" Mike. So many things about that word are out of your purview, spiritual and otherwise. I suggest you meditate on that word for awhile! :) Advocate for what you believe in, of course. You know, I recently started volunteering for an organization that houses homeless families. At the location I'm at, there are 50 kids. Fifty! The price of housing here has skyrocketed and there are serious economic consequences in play. Nor do we a good job of settling our refugees. Here, we give them $1,000 for 3 months and send them on their way; that doesn't even come close to covering the cost of renting an apartment. Many do not speak English and cannot find work. It's ridiculous. Reportedly, it takes at least 18 months to get on one's feet—3 months is a ridiculous time to assume assimilation at even the most basic levels. It's been a real eye opener in a lot of ways. Service can be achieved in many ways, but it's good for us all to get out of ourselves and off our self-righteous asses to join the community and do our part. I'm no poster child however, and choose to reserve judgment on your behind! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Am I the one playing God when I advocate for the life of the unborn or is the person deciding *not in my womb* ? Service and compassion? Is the woman killing her unborn child offering either? From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is what Amerika's gonna be... Really? Relationships take work Mike and "faith without works is dead," as they say. I find it ironic how you can judge the woman who has an abortion (maybe because she believes she can't "afford" it, lets just say) and get all righteous behind: your brand of interpretation of scripture; what the Constitution was intending; and, the reasoning that the woman has a inviolable responsibility to forward that particular soul's "karma" (Ever thought about the idea that the soul, should it be ready to incarnate, could be perfectly accepting in respecting the answer of "no" of whom it has "asked" and be willing to be hosted by another?)........and in almost the same breath, you blame and denigrate and rail against the mother who agrees to risk having the child, if she doesn't meet *your* standards. Who are you to think you should play God! Jesus was about service to others' Mike. Maybe, take that relationship to your heart and put some of your hard earned retirement time where your mouth is and exercise that other quality that Jesus has—compassion. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : Ollie, one can get hung up in *religion* or hung up in a relationship with the Almighty. Scripture can help you do either one.I'll take the relationship one. From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is what Amerika's gonna be... Yep, I understand your point, Mike. If I believed as you do, what you have written below, I would feel quite a commitment to "save" others also. I mean that with all respect for your faith. Equally so, I hope you can accept that I see it as opinion and interpretation, even the biblical prophet bit that many accept as truth with a capital "T". Sounds like a great way to answer every question - for yourself and others so inclined. However, there are many many paths to God, and yours is simply one of them. Please let the rest of us find our own way too. It is eminently possible to live a good, moral, God loving life, without the Christian faith, or any of them, actually. There is also no universal requirement to take Jesus Christ as one's savior, though he apparently serves in that role for quite a few people. I am not knocking it, just saying that this is not a *requirement* for a spiritually oriented life. I see any religion as more a personal preference, though exposure to religion is very useful, so that we have a choice to adopt a strong identification with it, or not. Religion also exposes us to the many ways we can approach God, for example, prayer, hymns, and meditating. At this time in my life, I choose not to follow (or oppose) any religion, and focus my efforts on directly enjoying God's creation, instead. No subtitles.:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote : BTW Ollie,a Biblical Prophet is one who is ordained by God Almighty to be His spokesperson. This verse clearly says that Jeremiah is God's messenger to the Gentiles, the Nations, non Jews. He clearly says that it is He that forms us in our mothers womb and that He knew you before He started and that He has a plan for your life. If you interfere in that plan by killing someone that He is creating for His purposes, that is the ultimate evil. That is Satanic/Demonic. Isaiah says *woe*, that is great grief, suffering and trouble for those that can't distinguish right from wrong and confuse the two. Karma's a bitch! From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is what Amerika's gonna be... You quote Samuel Clemence and I quote the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. You brought up religion with your justifications of abortion and deeming interference with a woman's right to choose as sin. My original argument was purely constitutional. From: "olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This is what Amerika's gonna be... "Man is kind enough when he is not excited by religion" - Mark Twain ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
