--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> > > > Fear, plain and simple.
> > > 
> > > I'd agree with fear in the sense of "fear of
> > > losing one's self (small s)."  When someone
> > > writes of an experience they have had, I 
> > > usually get a non-verbal "hit" on what they've
> > > written that has nothing to do with the words.
> > > As Vaj has mentioned with regard to "Advaitaspeak,"
> > > *anyone* can talk the talk.  What I'm looking for
> > > is something that underlies the words that con-
> > > vinces me that the experience the person is 
> > > talking about really happened. That "something,"
> > > for me, can only be felt intuitively.
> > > 
> > > I guess my point is that I think *everyone* does
> > > the same thing, and feels intuitively which of
> > > the experiences discussed here are real and which
> > > might not be.  And it's that very intuition that
> > > scares the shit out of them when they feel a real
> > > one.
> > 
> > So you see what I'm talking about when I say some of
> > the responses are hostile? Your posts aren't hostile
> > so I'll ask you because some of these posters really
> > come across as angry in either a direct or a passive
> > way. What strikes me as odd is that they claim they're
> > not angry at all. Am I going mad or something? 
> 
> I don't think so. I feel a great deal of anger
> behind the responses to someone's honestly-expressed
> description of a personal experience, and I feel it
> often. And in my opinion, that anger tends to come
> from those who (pardon me being explicit here, but
> it's the truth) have only read about or heard about
> such experiences, and never had them themselves.
> 
> > Some
> > "new" poster wants examples of what I'm referring to.
> > I'm not going to engage him because he has decided a
> > priori that he and others are not hostile. Then he
> > ends his post with a passive-agressive slam. There's
> > nothing wrong with being pissed-off, it's just that
> > you can't have a normal conversation with someone
> > peppering their posts with all this passive-aggressive
> > nonsense.
> 
> I couldn't agree more. 
> 
> To tell the truth, that's why I replied as I did to
> the recent poster who wants people to jump through
> hoops to "prove" any claim they make here. IMO, life's
> too short to deal with pissants who want "proof" of
> subjective experiences. For me, life's too short to
> deal with pissants who want to quibble endlessly over
> *opinion*.  If they want to quibble over things they
> consider verifiable facts, that's their business, as
> long as they don't expect me to play their ego-gotcha
> games.
>
Right on





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