--- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], Peter
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What strikes me as odd in these discussions is
> > the
> > > > degree of hostility. Why do people get so
> > pissed-off
> > > > if someone talks about some sort of Realization
> > > > experience? 
> > > 
> > > Fear, plain and simple.
> > 
> > I'd agree with fear in the sense of "fear of
> > losing one's self (small s)."  When someone
> > writes of an experience they have had, I 
> > usually get a non-verbal "hit" on what they've
> > written that has nothing to do with the words.
> > As Vaj has mentioned with regard to "Advaitaspeak,"
> > *anyone* can talk the talk.  What I'm looking for
> > is something that underlies the words that con-
> > vinces me that the experience the person is 
> > talking about really happened. That "something,"
> > for me, can only be felt intuitively.
> > 
> > I guess my point is that I think *everyone* does
> > the same thing, and feels intuitively which of
> > the experiences discussed here are real and which
> > might not be.  And it's that very intuition that
> > scares the shit out of them when they feel a real
> > one.
> 
> So you see what I'm talking about when I say some of
> the responses are hostile? Your posts aren't hostile
> so I'll ask you because some of these posters really
> come across 

the key implied word here is "to ME" the posts come across to Peter
that way. And maybe to al. Maybe not.

>as angry in either a direct or a passive
> way. What strikes me as odd is that they claim they're
> not angry at all. Am I going mad or something? 

Well, it is a hypothesis,  in the sense that  so many things can color
our perception. 

So lets see. Why not follow my simple request and cite the experience
posts you have in mind, and the hostile response you have in mind.
Lets collectively look at the words and see if hostiilty lunges out. 

I count count the times I have THOUGHT someone made such and suc point
 with such and such chip onhis shoulder. Only to ctart writing a
resposne, using his OWN words as PROOF, to find -- poof - it was not
in his words but my mind.

And perhaps a post may seem to be hostile -- and was just careless
writing of the poster, not intenended as hostility. A good set of feed
back for him.

So lets try the experiment. No gottcha games here. Just list the 
the Experience posts you have in mind, and the hostile response you
have in mind. Lets collectively look at the words and see whats there.



> Some
> "new" poster wants examples of what I'm referring to.
> I'm not going to engage him because he has decided a
> priori that he and others are not hostile.

Not true. Well, I know my own states which have not been hostile. I
acknowledge that my writing may come across as hostile to you or
perhaps others. I don't see it, but if you can show it, I am a quick
study, I am eager to improve my writing skils and curtail unintented
tones and tudes.

>  Then he
> ends his post with a passive-agressive slam. 

See, that is internal Peter. I did not end my post with a with a
passive-agressive slam. I ended my post with something YOU INTERPRETED
AS a slam. I ended the post in the way I did because I have seen you
repeated ignore requests for clarification when you are called on an
issue. 

I really think you should try this exercise. I think it may amaze us
all. Cite the experience posts you have in mind, and the hostile
response you have in mind. Lets collectively look at the words. Why
the resistance to taking 10 minutes to do so? 


> There's
> nothing wrong with being pissed-off, it's just that
> you can't have a normal conversation with someone
> peppering their posts with all this passive-aggressive
> nonsense.

If you are referring to my posts, again, just cite what you feel are 
"peppering their posts with all this passive-aggressive
nonsense." I know the intent of my last post and it was not passive
agressive or hostile. If my style of writing is not effective, help me
to change. If you are interpreting things on the paper not intended,
perhaps you too have room for change.




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