Notice Mike's misrepresentation: Machado *herself* brought this Trump incident 
up to the New York Times a few months ago, before Hillary ever mentioned it. 
Machado, far from not wanting to be put "through it all over again," is 
delighted that it's getting publicity. 

 And Trump, needless to say, has been behaving like an utter a'hole about it 
since the debate.

 In any case, whether she had an obligation to maintain her winning weight 
isn't the real issue. The real issue is how Trump treated her when she gained a 
few pounds, publicly fat-shaming her, calling her names, disparaging her 
ethnicity, making her work out in front of umpty television cameras, 
deliberately humiliating her. None of that cruelty was necessary to correct any 
weight problem.

---In, <emily.mae50@...> wrote :

 Thanks for reading the article, Mike.   

 ---In, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Emily, I read the article and don't have her contract to read, nor am I 
lawyer. However, most jobs involving a certain appearance, such as this, will 
not tolerate a significant weight gain.
 Machado  doesn't have a *right* to her *crown*. She was selected for a certain 
appearance and couldn't maintain it. Everybody lost on this, both her and the 

 I doubt that you would find an NFL cheerleader more than 5 pounds overweight. 
I have a niece that was about 5-10 pounds over her ideal weight when she tried 
out for a *drill squad*position with her high school. She had worked very hard 
to get a few more pounds off before the try outs but those last few were too 
hard. She didn't make the squad and was very upset about it. I'm sure it hurt 
her self esteem but life goes on.
 Hillary dredged this up for her own gain and is putting this woman through it 
all over again.

 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" <>
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....
   Please look at this article.  It's a quick read.      

 Did Alicia Machado Breach ‘Weight Clause’ as Trump Campaign Claims?
 Did Alicia Machado Breach ‘Weight Clause’ as Trump...
 Alicia Machado has largely been the focus of campaign news this week. The 
Trump camp claims she breached her Miss Universe contract — pageant experts d...

 View on
 Preview by Yahoo 



---In, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 I have no idea how much she gained but have you ever known a woman to tell the 
truth about her weight or weight gain?
 How much do you weigh Judy?
 The fact is, she was under contract to have a certain appearance for a year. 
Height/weight proportionality was a part of it.She couldn't live up to her 
obligation. Sorry, that's just the way it is.
 Hillary brought this up and into the public to exploit an *issue*. If Machado 
is feeling any pain over this, it was Hillary that ripped off the scab for her 
 The *horses* mouth? Isn't that a little insensitive? 


 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <>
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

   Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on 
the internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were.



 ---In, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.

---In, <authfriend@...> wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 



 ---In, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.

 More comments later, I think.

---In, <salsunshineiniowa@...> wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.




On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] <> wrote:

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?







            • Re:... [FairfieldLife]
            • Re:... Mike Dixon [FairfieldLife]
            • Re:... [FairfieldLife]
            • Re:... Mike Dixon [FairfieldLife]
            • Re:... [FairfieldLife]
            • Re:... [FairfieldLife]
          • Re: [Fai... Mike Dixon [FairfieldLife]
            • Re:... [FairfieldLife]
            • Re:... Mike Dixon [FairfieldLife]
            • Re:... [FairfieldLife]
            • Re:... [FairfieldLife]
            • Re:... Mike Dixon [FairfieldLife]
            • Re:... [FairfieldLife]
            • Re:... feste37
            • Re:... [FairfieldLife]
            • Re:... Mike Dixon [FairfieldLife]
            • Re:... [FairfieldLife]
            • Re:... [FairfieldLife]
  • Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya kn... [FairfieldLife]
  • Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya kn... feste37

Reply via email to