---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 I did not watch the debate.  I watched only a small "hi-light" reel 
afterwards.  But the impression I got was the the Clinton campaign instructed 
Kaine to "go after Trump. rip him to shreds" which he attempted to do, but 
didn't come off particularly well doing so. 

 I felt, that if they had just let Kaine "be himself", things would have turned 
out better.  We all know the debates run on emotion and appearances, so that 
even if a person is lying, well, that may not actually go against them, in the 
debate at least, and maybe not even after.

 But, maybe this idea of "being yourself" is just too naive an idea. On the 
other hand, it often is what works in situations rather than going with 

 Any thought?

 I totally disagree with the 'pundits' on who "won" the debate. The only person 
out there who told the truth and who had hard facts at his disposal (like 
direct Trump and Pence quotes) was Kaine. He came off a bit awkward at first 
firing accusations (timing wasn't great) but he got into the rhythm of the 
thing as the debate went on and was reasonably formidable in his take down or, 
at least, his confrontation of Pence concerning Trump and his ugly and ignorant 
rhetoric. I thought Kaine's statement on women having the right to determine 
what they do with their bodies was strong and as we now all know in the 
aftermath, much of the way the debate played out was totally planned by the 
Clinton campaign as a way to capture sound and video clips for their expose 
spot afterwards to highlight the lies Pence was spewing the entire time. Just 
because Pence can sit there like some robotic cadaver and speak in this 
placating kind of marmish tone does not a debate winner make. I can't figure 
out why this qualifies as making him the winner. He couldn't defend Trump 
except to shake his head and priss his lips or outright lie. That is hardly a 
strong defense of his running mate.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <salsunshineiniowa@...> wrote :

 Remember the nickname they gave Bush, the Smirking Chmip?    Pence could 
easily be the Smirking Sociopath, he lies with such effortlessness and 
oiliness.  Even against video evidence, it's like he's some alternate universe 
or something.


 On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:55 AM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife] <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 There is a delusional element among the religious right, who fervently believe 
that Trump is our next MESSIAH, the Great White Hope who will restore 
righteousness among the wicked. Pence is clearly one of them. "Smirky" Pence, 
the know-it-all, self-righteous, bible-thumping hypocrite. 

I enjoyed Kaine, who comes across as sane, capable and tough. The 'debate' was 
farcical though, with Smirky constantly trotting out lies, and Kaine refuting 
them - So nothing new from that angle. Rote Republican desperation, and the 
usual attempt by the only adult in the contest to stay in the domain of 

Yeah, the Trump Toilet/Pence Paper ticket is one to avoid at all costs.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
<awoelflebater@...> wrote :


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
<authfriend@...> wrote :

 For those uncertain as to how my last four posts relate to FFL's concerns as a 
spiritual group: The Trump/Pence ticket is a blatant example of spiritual 
degradation--lying, cheating, hypocrisy, and sheer recklessness with the 
welfare of humankind. Anybody who is at all spiritually aware should oppose 
these candidates with every fiber of their being.

 Trust me, every fibre of my being is resonating with contempt and an 
understanding for how hideous the Trump/Pence ticket is. Between the 
mono-syllabic undertaker and his bloated and corrupt running mate it is a 
frightening and sickening to behold. My absentee ballot is sitting to the right 
of me on my desk ready to be mailed and, believe me, it is for Hillary/Kaine - 
my only regret is my one vote can't be counted as one million.


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