First question is who is reborn?The second question is what is the necessity of
rebirth?The third is what is the process of rebirth?The answer to the first
question who is reborn is, there is a normal, common, popular notion that the
man whom we saw dying is really reborn. This is a very common, normal idea. A
man or woman who has died is reborn. And we begin to expect in the rebirth the
same tendencies which that man or woman who had died possessed. If that man was
heroic we expect that in next rebirth the same heroic man will continue to be
heroic. If that man was greedy then in the next birth the same personality will
continue to be greedy. If that personality had certain attachments with X or Y
or Z then we expect that in the next birth the same will continue. Such are
vague unclear, common notions. These notions are based on facts that we do not
make distinctions. Between four elements which are in our personality there is
the physical element, the physical body in which we are living; there is the
vital element which consists of desires, impulses, attractions, repulsions,
longings; there is a mental which consists of ideas, conceptions, dreams of
various kinds, visions of various kinds and finally there is a soul in us. We
do not even know the interconnection of all this.As a result of this, our
notion of the personality that dies and the personality that is born is also a
very vague and very unclear notion. Surely the same physical body is not
reborn. That body which is here is burnt and is turned to ashes or is buried
and there it gets disintegrated. But besides this physical body, there is the
internal body that does not get immediately disintegrated. This is called the
subtle physical body. The word subtle physical is a larger term which includes
subtle physical, vital and mental also. But in the subtle body there is a
subtle physical body also. This subtle physical body survives for quite some
time and if the vital and mental are not very much developed in us, if the soul
in us is not very much developed in us, then there would be an immediate
physical rebirth in another body. It would be almost a continuation of the kind
of personality that there was before because nothing was developed. This
answers to the common idea of the same personality being reborn. But this
happens only in the case of very rudimentary human beings, very, very
elementary, very barbaric human beings whose life is centered only on the
physical and other parts of the being are not developed. Now, for those who
have got vital being quite developed, mind also to some extent developed, and
the soul also slightly developed; in that case after the disintegration of the
physical body, also the subtle physical, the vital continues for some time. It
was developed already; it does not disappear. But on the physical earth,
basically only physical beings can live that is the specialty of this physical
world.If anyone wants to come on the earth and live on the earth, he has got to
have a physical body. If he does not have a physical body then one cannot live
long on the physical plane. So, there must be another plane where this vital
being developed in this body, which has still not disintegrated, which is still
continuing, passes through a certain plane and that must be a plane
corresponding to its own nature. If it is a vital being it goes to the life
plane, the vital plane, a vital world, a world which consists of vital beings.
This is a part of the occult knowledge. That apart from the physical world
there is a vital
world.http://www.kireetjoshiarchives.com/audio-video/audio.php?category=rebirth-and-other-worlds&id=473So
once you go to the life plane then you get a freer domain of expressing your
vital being. This also is a very important idea.What does it mean to get a
freer field to express the vital being? You notice that in this world of the
physical, we are constantly hampered by physical disabilities. There are many
things that we would like to do but either we are sick or we get fatigued very
easily, or else there is a need for sleep. Very often when our vital being is
very powerful we feel we should have 48 hours in a day to be able to do
everything that we want to do. There are so many things to be done but it is
the physical existence which hampers our full manifestation of all our vital
activities. In the vital plane this disability would not be there, so that it
may have a freer play of its energies. Very often many things that we cannot do
here in the physical plane we are able to accomplish in the vital plane, this
we are able to do by transmigrating into the life plane. And we reach a point
where all that we wanted to do is as it were exhausted.Once that is done then
we are able to pass to the other plane and if our mind was developed to some
extent then we go to the mental plane. There again, what we were not able to do
mentally here, we are able to accomplish over there. And a point is reached
where it is exhausted and then we are able to move to the plane of the pure
soul being which is called the Psychic plane. It is the psychic being actually,
which is the individual formation of the soul; which is immortal, it never
disintegrates, it is the inextinguishable flame. So that which really survives
the body after the death of the body it is this psychic body or soul which
remains disintegrated. The vital can become exhausted, mental can become
exhausted but the soul is never exhausted. It is actually you might say an
entity of potentiality which remains disintegrated.It is this soul personality
which has a sojourn on the psychic plane. And according to the level of
evolution that it has reached in the past births, and according to the
potentiality it has got of manifestation in the future, it waits for the
circumstances on the earth to arise appropriate to the need and then it takes a
new body on the physical plane by descending into the physical plane. Very
often when the soul is not very developed it does not make a conscious choice
of the circumstances in which it is to be born. It happens almost like
gravitation. But when the soul development has been sufficiently great, then it
can decide exactly when it is to be born. It can even preside over the
formation of the body, determine the formation of the body and take the birth
according to its needs very consciously. In the case of very developed souls
this is the normal condition. So it is actually the soul that takes
birth.http://www.kireetjoshiarchives.com/audio-video/audio.php?category=rebirth-and-other-worlds&id=474
Gulati
On Sunday, 2 April 2017 6:40 PM, "devindersingh gulati dgulh...@yahoo.com
[TheBecoming]" <thebecom...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I am saying the same thing, only differently.1. There is a soul.2. It is
permanent.3. It evolves.4. To begin with, it is ineffective to control life.
5. In the beginning instincts and desires predominate over mind.6. Gradually
the mind asserts its sovereignty.7. Mind is in turn more and more influenced by
soul as it grows.
8. Reincarnation of soul becomes necessary for the process to complete
itself.9. Reincarnation is as human only.10. Formations (Samskars) of desires
that are very strong may reincarnate in animals, not the soul.
Once you grant that there is a necessity of rebirth then many questions arise.
“There arises the first question of the process of rebirth; if that process is
not quickly successive, birth immediately following death of the body so as to
maintain an uninterrupted series of lives of the same person, if there are
intervals, that in its turn raises the question of the principle and process of
the passage to other worlds, which must be the scene of these intervals, and
the return to earth–life. A third question is the process of the spiritual
evolution itself and the mutations which the soul undergoes in its passage from
birth to birth through the stages of its adventure.”The first question is what
is the process of rebirth? Who is reborn, how is one reborn? In what form is he
reborn?The second is, is rebirth immediately successive. There are two notions
which are running in the world amongst those who believe in rebirth, not
sufficiently reconciled. According to one view you leave this body and you are
immediately reborn into another body. According to the other view once you come
out of the body you go through experiences of pleasure and pain according to
whether you have been good or bad on this earth. If you have been good you go
to heaven and pleasures of some kind, otherwise you will be chastised and sent
to hell for some time. And when this is over you take another birth. This is a
popular notion, not necessarily scientifically verifiable. These are the
current notions. We have to arrive at a very scientific conclusion on this
subject. Is rebirth immediately successive or if not immediately successive
then what happens to the soul in the interval?The third question is that in the
whole process of dying, coming out of the body, passing to wherever one has to
pass after the death of the body, returning to the new body; what is it that
the soul gains and how does it evolve itself. What is the process of its
evolution? What role does nature play and what role does the soul play in the
evolution of consciousness, which is the real purpose. These are the three
questions that
arise.http://www.kireetjoshiarchives.com/audio-video/audio.php?category=rebirth-and-other-worlds&id=471
Gulati
On Sunday, 2 April 2017 9:07 AM, S Turkman <turk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
As I said before, we are made of 3 things. Physical Body, Astral Body and
Spirit. When we die, Astral Body disintegrates and Spirit flies away to get
Reincarnated again as a Human of a 4 Legged Animal depending on each case but
normally back to another Human.Some in their 1st Sojourn or higher as Human may
prefer to be Reincarnated back as 4 Legged Animals, where they had started
from, if they did not like their Human Life.
CASE & POINT
I had an American friend, who could converse with 4 Legged Animals using
telepathy (Mentally without saying any words)..i asked, why she did not use
this skill at the Horse Races to win a lot of money?She said, "They are like 5
to 8 years old Children mentally. 3 or 4 of them say, they would win the Race.
Normally one of them wins but sometimes, one of the rest of them, who had said,
they would not, wins. One day, I was with her in a Shopping Center on Milwaukee
& Dempster Street, Desplaines, Illinois, USA. I saw a very crazy kind of Pet
Dog of some lady that had gone inside leaving it outside. I requested her to
talk with it. Following is the conversation:
LADY: Why are you acting so crazy?DOG: Because I am crazy?LADY: Why don't you
straighten out your act so,you could be born as a Human?DOG: I have already
done that. I was a Human. LADY: Did you act this crazy as a Human also?DOG: Yes
and I could not enter Fetus of a Human after that. LADY: Do you like this life
as a Dog?DOG: Yes. LADY: Why?DOG: Because this life is more fun and less
restrictive. LADY: How?DOG: You saw me rape a little Bitch. Nobody arrested me
to take to Jail. When I used to do this as a Human, they used to take me to
Jail and in court the Raped Girl used to testify so, I had started killing them
after raping so, they could not testify. I got caught again and was given Death
Sentence.
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