So when we, we are a swirling movement of egoistic consciousness around a
formation which is constantly fluctuating believing we are independent but
which we are never. It is in this falsity that we continually go on living all
the time.The soul knows and is aware of this whole business. And if it wills it
can immediately invade the whole thing and break the egoism altogether. But it
does not because the purpose is to create embodied condition. Because if it
breaks prematurely, the embodiment might itself break, the formation itself may
break and therefore it does not invade.
That is the law imposed upon the soul that it will not invade directly. The
soul therefore lives like an exiled king. The kingdom is the kingdom of body,
life and mind of which soul is the real king but ego has usurped the kingdom of
the soul and rules as if he is the king. And the soul, knowing all this remains
behind like an exiled king. And according to the law imposed upon it that
consent must come from below, from body, life and mind and aspiration must rise
from here, then in answer to that the soul can invade. That is why the need for
aspiration from below. The greater the aspiration here, the greater will be the
soul coming to the front. The screen will be thinned. In some moments of great
aspiration, the screen may suddenly snap and we may come directly into contact
with the soul, even our ego can experience the soul, our mind can also
experience and the soul itself may manifest for some time. But if the outer
being is thick, the snapping is only for a momentary time and again it may
close and this happens to us when we are transported into an experience where
everything becomes alive, everything appears so intimate, all sense of
separation disappears. A tremendous perception of the Divine appears before us.
But after sometime it again disappears. But this memory is very important,
through the memory we can again go back to it.What the soul does is to the
extent to which the body, life and mind aspire for the rule of the soul; it
puts forward its energy, soul energy. Putting forth of the soul energy creates
a formation of the soul. This formation is called the psychic being as distinct
from the psychic entity which is the soul. Psychic being has individuality,
it’s a formation, it is a packet of soul energy. Something of Para Prakriti as
distinguished from tamas, rajas and sattva begins to enter into the tamas,
rajas and sattva movement. It is an infiltration, invasion of the soul on the
body life and mind.In the beginning this formation is very small. Therefore the
Kathopnishad calls it angushtamatram, not bigger than the thumb because the
soul formation in the beginning is a small formation depending upon the
aspiration of the body, life and mind. This individuality of the psychic being
if it grows more and more then even the mind, life and body also get affected
and their formations become more and more in the image of that individuality.
Instead of the egoistic individuality they have a stamp of the psychic
individuality. But this is a very long process and in one life time it is
ordinarily not possible to complete the whole cycle in which the psychic being
can fully develop its individuality and can stamp itself on body, life and mind
so that the body, life and mind become psychicised, so to say.To remove the ego
individuality and to develop the soul individuality, and to manifest the
totality of the Divine in body, life and mind is the real purpose of our being
here on earth and until that is done we are obliged to come back again and
again, birth after birth. In this process, an important stage is reached when
we begin to become aware of the immortality of the soul. Our outer being, body,
life and mind and ego which are ignorant of the soul when they begin to become
aware of the presence of the soul and the immortality of the inextinguishable
soul, it realizes that the soul is immortal. Now this awareness is a very
important stage of development. Normally, we are all the time in a sense of
insecurity; our whole life is full of anxiety and fear because we feel fear of
disintegration. Nothing in the world is as dangerous to us as a threat of our
personal disintegration. This is the main anxiety of every human being and what
every human being is doing is to build up its formation. And he is constantly
building up for fear of disintegration; even when you form the body, how much
the mother has to take care of the child to see that the body formation and a
good, sound formation and is very worried about any process by which sickness
may come, dislocation of the body may come disintegration of the body may come
about. And our constant fear is to make the body as capable of integration as
possible, similarly, of our mind formation, our life formation. Attempt is to
make our body, life, and mind as much integrated as possible. And that is
because our mission here is to create here a constant mutation of
individualized divinity. This is the mission.Therefore constancy is all the
time attempted by us even in the field of change. Therefore in this changing
movement to create constancy and invidualized constancy, something which is
true of our jivatamans that is our constant effort. And even though we may not
be aware of it all our anxieties ultimately are reduced to this. We are
constantly trying to see that we may succeed in this task, even unknowingly. We
are constantly trying to obey God’s command that we have to create here in this
body a constantly mutable individualized divine. But not knowing the secret of
it, the way to achieve it we are constantly struggling ignorantly and
constantly being disintegrated and even when death takes place we are reborn
again so again the task continues. So death is not real disintegration. It is a
passage by way of which another integration takes place on a bigger scale than
the soul intends.
http://www.kireetjoshiarchives.com/audio-video/audio.php?id=478
Gulati
On Wednesday, 5 April 2017 2:44 PM, "devindersingh gulati
dgulh...@yahoo.com [TheBecoming]" <thebecom...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
The third question is what is the process of rebirth? It is here that the
other worlds than the physical become relevant.
The jivatman itself does not enter into the human body and is therefore called
‘ajanma’, he in unborn. What is born is its delegate, the soul. He puts forward
his Agni, a spark from itself and it is the spark which has all the
potentiality of all that is in the jivatman; its specific work, the entirety of
Divinity, is entirely present in the delegate, the soul. But it does not force
itself and impose itself upon the various formations of body, life and mind.
This you might say is the law of the game. Jivatman is in Truth Consciousness
and its real station is in Para Prakriti. So if you enter into Para Prakriti
you find your true self there. But even at lower planes you can experience it.
When you rise above your consciousness you do experience it also. But its
fullness, the Divine soul in its fullness is only on the Truth plane and
Supramental. Transcendental is the Lord Himself of which jivatman is the
individual centration. And there are many centrations, each distinct from the
others and they are all eternal centrations. But they are not independent, not
separate but distinct. Therefore, the soul does not have abhiman which the ego
has got. The distinctness does not amount to separation so far as soul
consciousness is concerned.In the egoistic consciousness I am not only distinct
from all the others but independent from others at least that is and that is
what creates abhiman. Therefore it is called the false notion of the self
because there is nothing corresponding to it. When we speak of individuality we
speak of the soul individuality which is distinct from the other soul,
distinctness but which is inseparable from the Divine. It is the one that is
many you might say and whenever you go into the transcendental you see ekatvam
pashyata sarvatra, you see oneness everywhere. And at that level you can also
see that distinctness which is here which you call your distinctness and the
distinctness in her I experience as my own distinctness. It is not as if
someone were to have two distinctnesses because it is the Supreme Lord’s own
distinctness. Supreme Lord is only one. So I have no illusion of being so
distinct from the other that I am completely different from the other and
completely indifferent of the other. This is the experience we are entitled to
get in our Truth.When we have in the image of Raasleela of Sri Krishna where
each Gopi is distinct from the other and each Gopi is having an experience of
the Supreme Lord exclusively but also she sees that the same Lord with every
Gopi and even herself is only one of the distinctive manifestations and all the
others are equal manifestations of the same Lord. It is this consciousness of
individuality that is to be manifested while embodied. Before we got embodied
at the Supreme level we already had this consciousness and it is this always
present. The individuality is to be manifested while embodied. It is never
abolished. Even today if you can happen to go into a state of consciousness by
whatever means you will see yourself in that Raasleela as a partner of that
Supreme Divine. The jivatman is ever free but in this play of the body, life
and mind movement, it sends its delegate the soul, a spark because of the
specific purpose, to have the same experience in the embodied form. Therefore
in the embodied form it has to happen gradually. And the connecting link is the
soul, the Agni, the spark. It is the Agni as it were the real individual. It
has no egoistic consciousness. It has the consciousness of being distinct from
the others but not that it is separate from others. It is also aware that it is
constituted of Para Prakriti. It has the direct Truth consciousness. It has
potentiality of the whole of the centration of the Divine. It knows its mission
as to why it is here in the embodied form. But our body, life, mind and ego are
not aware of the soul. The soul is aware of them. But our body, life, mind and
egoistic formation are so absorbed in themselves that they have no time even to
look behind. And this ego makes us believe that we are we and because of the
jumping movement of egoistic consciousness all the time goes on revolving round
and round like a monkey all the time, jumping about it prevents us from
entering into the Truth Consciousness.There is a screen created by virtue of
this exclusive concentration of consciousness on the egoistic formation. Keeps
us absorbed in our activities of body, life and mind, of our limited formations
and making us believe that we are this and nothing else and it is our business
to protect ourselves as against others. So it protects itself from the whole
universe, protects itself against the soul which is behind it. It is a double
wall it has created. We do not know the world either because ego does not open
itself to the whole universe. It does not open itself to the soul consciousness
which is behind. So when we, we are a swirling movement of egoistic
consciousness around a formation which is constantly fluctuating believing we
are independent but which we are never. It is in this falsity that we
continually go on living all the time.The soul knows and is aware of this whole
business. And if it wills it can immediately invade the whole thing and break
the egoism altogether. But it does not because the purpose is to create
embodied condition. Because if it breaks prematurely, the embodiment might
itself break, the formation itself may break and therefore it does not invade.
http://www.kireetjoshiarchives.com/audio-video/audio.php?id=477
Gulati
On Tuesday, 4 April 2017 8:52 AM, "devindersingh gulati dgulh...@yahoo.com
[TheBecoming]" <thebecom...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
It is Shirish Dave who wrote rebirth is wishful thinking. I am arguing for
rebirth.
The second question is what is the necessity of rebirth?One who is reborn is
the soul that is reborn, and while taking rebirth it may have discarded the
previous personalities altogether because they are no more necessary for future
growth and future potentialities to develop. Or it may take help of whatever
was formed and enter into the new body with all the formations of the past
birth in whatever way they are modified, after going into those planes by going
through necessary modifications with enriched material derived from the
experiences of those planes. As a result of that we cannot expect that the soul
that is now born will manifest the same tendencies which were present in the
last incarnation. Napoleon of the last birth may be in this birth an ordinary
soldier, no more the captain of the commander. Or he may be a businessman in
the next birth or an ordinary navigator, depending upon what experiences he had
already exhausted and what new potentialities he has to manifest. So it is idle
to expect in a new personality continuation in the same form or same rhythm as
it was in the previous birth.The common notion that the same personality who
dies now is reborn is quite unscientific. It is only true of those very
rudimentary personalities which have no capacity of transmigrating to higher
planes and to exhaust themselves and to renew themselves, it is true only of
those personalities. But for the others it is not so for most of the human
beings it is not so. Otherwise there would be no evolution. If you are simply
to be born again into a new body it would be senseless. Why would you have left
the earlier body at all? We leave the earlier body because the circumstances in
which we are living, the capacities which are there in the body have reached
their point where they cannot have further development. We have reached a
critical point where continuing in the same body has no further meaning in
terms of evolution.
http://www.kireetjoshiarchives.com/audio-video/audio.php?id=474
I would like to introduce one more complication in this simple description that
I have given and that is the concept of individuality. Earlier we had said that
the purpose of this game that we call the present world is to manifest the
totality in the embodied individual; this is the general formula we had given.
The true individual, we had said, is the jivatman and we had defined jivatman
as the centration of the universal and transcendent Divine in a manifold
movement of universe. This is the definition that we had given of the jivatman.
The idea is that this centration should become embodied and in that embodied
condition the transcendental and universal consciousness must fully manifest
with specificity which that specific individual is designed to express. Until
that happens in the embodied condition we are obliged to return to this
physical world. This is the law of necessity.Why is it that we are obliged to
come back to this earth? Supposing after coming out of this body we go into the
plane of the life, plane of the mind and plane of the psychic, why do we not
remain there all the time? Why are we obliged to come back? The necessity
arises out of the fact is that the purpose for which we have agreed to play
this role, reach a point in this embodied condition the totality must be
manifest specific individually. And since this cannot happen in one birth or
many births, it is imposed upon us that we have to come back again and again.
Or you might say that we have taken a decision to do so along with God Himself.
We want to participate in this game and so it is with the self choice that we
come back again on earth so that that particular aim is fulfilled. So the
important point is in the individuality. In the individuality, Totality must
become manifest.In every evolutionary process here, the constant pressure is to
develop individuality capable of manifesting Totality. This is the central
drive in our life whether we realise it or not. Whatever we are doing in our
life sharpens our individuality to such an extent that the Totality can
manifest specifically through our individuality. And all that we are doing on
this earth is a kind of work of a goldsmith. Our soul is very much compared
with a goldsmith’s. The jivatman when it is embodied, it is embodied by its
delegate called the soul. It is the soul that is the goldsmith which goes on
shaping individuality of the body, life and mind and of itself.A most important
activity that is going on in our life is the formation of individuality. This
formation is basically the task of Agni, Fire. All formation, even in the
physical world if you want to form or weld something without fire it is not
possible. You cannot make a form stable without welding and without the fire
element. Same thing is also true of the subtle planes. It is the fire element
which welds, which gives formations and the soul is really the Agni element as
we have seen earlier.This individuality is to be distinguished from ego
formation. Ego formation is also a kind of individuality and most of us mistake
our ego formation as the real individuality. We must be very clear about this
distinction. Ego formation is the formation of individuality up to a certain
point of development. But when we examine the ego consciousness, we find that
ego consciousness has no substance behind it. This requires a little further
explanation as to what this means.If you examine ego consciousness you’ll find
there are three elements in it. There is the sense of ‘I’ness. Secondly, this
‘I’ness is concentrated upon a small, finite formation. And thirdly, it
believes that it is independent of all the rest of the whole world. With regard
to the three things, the ‘I’ness is a verifiable experience. We all feel
‘I’ness. You do not need to prove it. We also find that it is always centered
on a small, finite formation. I am this much you are different from me, so I
distinguish myself from all the rest so it is centered on a finite formation.
Thirdly, it believes it is independent of all the rest, it believes it is but
it is never so. There is nothing corresponding to this independence. The
egoistic consciousness believes itself to be independent of all the rest but in
the scheme of the world, when you examine objectively you find that it is never
independent of all the rest. It is constantly dependent upon all the rest. It
is you might say a puppet in the hands of the universal dancer. The whole
universe is a dancing girl as it were and it is that which is dancing and the
ego is simply a fingertip of the dancer. How can the fingertip be independent
of the universal dancer? There is no substance in it. It is a false belief and
there is nothing corresponding to the belief. That is why egoistic
consciousness is unreal in itself as there is nothing corresponding to it. It
is a sense but corresponding to the sense there is no reality. There is no real
entity independent of all the rest. But because of this wrong belief there is a
striving in it to maintain its independence. But wherever it feels its
independence is attacked it creates a shield around itself and constantly
struggles to keep itself in a make belief. In contrast to the ego
consciousness, the soul consciousness is quite different. That is why we must
make a distinction between ego and the soul. And the individuality that is to
be developed and that is intended to be developed is not the egoistic
individuality but the soul individuality. What is intended to be brought out is
the soul individuality.Rebirth and Other Worlds - Rebirth Track 10 by Kireet
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On Tuesday, 4 April 2017 8:20 AM, S Turkman <turk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Gulati wrote: "The rebirth is a simply wishful thinking"
ME:How many Scientifically Investigated Examples of cases of Reincarnation do
you need to be convinced? Why you can not do some Research first before writing
such a sentence?
On Monday, April 3, 2017 9:37 PM, "devindersingh gulati dgulh...@yahoo.com
[TheBecoming]" <thebecom...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
There are various possibilities.1. The physical universe is the only
universe. Once the soul comes out of the body there is nowhere else it has to
go, so it goes into another body immediately. So, transmigration to some other
world, heaven or hell or other worlds does not arise at all. This is true if
the physical world is the only reality. If the physical universal is not the
only reality then other possibilities arise.We have found:“The soul would have
no freedom from Matter; it would be perpetually bound to its instrument, the
body, and dependent on it for the continuity of its manifested existence. But
we have found that there is a life on other planes after death and before the
subsequent rebirth, a life consequent on the old and preparatory of the new
stage of terrestrial existence. Other planes coexist with ours, are part of one
complex system and act constantly upon the physical which is their own final
and lowest term, receives its reactions, admit a secret communication and
commerce. Man can become conscious of these planes, can even in certain states
project his conscious being into them, partly in life, presumably therefore
with a full completeness after the dissolution of the body.”This is the second
alternative.2. Physical universe is not the only universe. In fact in one of
the important articles of Vedic knowledge there is a discovery of other worlds
other than the physical universe. The Vedic seers were able to find out that
there are worlds other than the physical world of which we have physical
experience. And therefore he described the whole world in a very symbolic
manner. He said the world is like an animal which has two heads, 4 horns and
3feet – it is like a riddle – dveshirasa, chaturshringa, tripada. Three feet
consist of 3 worlds, the lower worlds, the world of matter, the world of life
and the world of mind tripada. Even in the world there are 3 earths, the Veda
speaks of 3 earths. Even in the earth principle there are two other earth
principles of which we are not normally aware. The earth principle is called
prithvi. The second is antariksha and the third is dhyao or heaven that is the
mind. When the Vedic Rishis prayed they prayed that first shanti may be dhyao
shanti, antariksha shanti, prithvi shanti; tripada, the three worlds. Then
comes another world, which is called the world of Truth and Vast, the world of
Satyam, Ritam, Brihad, the Truth, the Right and the Vast. This is called the
higher heaven. Dhyao is the lower heaven sometimes also referred to as Swaha.In
the Gayatri mantra we speak of Bhur is prithvi, Bhuva is antariksha and dhyao
together and swaha is this swaha, higher than that is the triple world which is
spiritual Satchitananda. So Satchitananda and Swaha, Truth and vast these are
the four horns. The 3 feet are the feet of matter, life and mind. The four
horns are Satchitananda and truth and vast. These are the 7 Realities, 7
worlds. 4 higher worlds and three lower. The 4 horns are the higher worlds and
the tripada, 3 feet the lower worlds, 4 higher and 3 lower worlds. All this is
the manifestation of a reality which is dual in character, which has 2 heads,
which is Ardhanareshwar; which is supreme, at once the Lord and Divine Mother;
which is the ultimate justification of the sex principle in the world. Aditi is
called the Divine Feminine principle, the first Divine Mother from whom all
creatures are born. And the lord is often the image of Rishabha, the Supreme
Bull, the image of the Veda. The knowledge of the existence of these worlds was
a precious possession of the Vedic Rishis.This was not just a belief. It was as
if the Rishis were able to move into these worlds at will. They could enter
into any world as they willed. It was a kind of personal experience. Just as we
can say that I have seen the world and have no doubt of its existence, at least
so far as my senses go. Similarly, one can say I have entered into the world of
the truth and vast. I have entered the world of life, or of mind. In the world
of mind there will be only the world of ideas and no matter as we see it. In
the world of life there will be world desires, impulses. When you enter into
the higher world of the Supermind, when you go to the higher level, Truth and
Right and Vast, you will see only the manifestation which is luminous, the
world of light, the world of delight, world of consciousness and the world of
existence. These worlds were known to the Upanishads also, before Upanishads
accepted this whole theory, not a theory according to them, but knowledge.Those
who believe that there is only this world and no other world at all for them
there is no liberation. They remain in this world of death, madhyaloka. So the
knowledge of these worlds is necessary for liberation.
http://www.kireetjoshiarchives.com/audio-video/audio.php?category=rebirth-and-other-worlds&id=472If
already you have the power of entering into that world then as soon as you go
out of this body it will be very easy to enter into it. But if you have not
attained to that level of development then you may come back immediately into
this body. But if you have developed that capacity then you can go into that
world after the death of the body. Gulati
On Monday, 3 April 2017 8:42 PM, "shirish dave smdave1...@yahoo.com
[TheBecoming]" <thebecom...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
"The body which is here is burnt and is turned to ashes or is buried and
there it gets disintegrated. But besides this physical body, there is the
internal body that does not get immediately disintegrated."
What is that internal body?Of what elements the internal body is made of? By
which force the said so called internal body remained associated with the
physical body?Why has it left the physical body?What are the organs of that
internal body?How does that internal body function?What are the properties of
that internal body?
No body can answer these and many more other questions and prove the existence
of internal body logically. The rebirth is a simply wishful thinking.
We are all made of a single fundamental entity you may name it Prana, Anna,
Super String, Super particle. This fundamental entity is alive. It is not
possible to produce living organism from non-living organisms in whatsoever
number they are arranged.
We are made of cells. Cells are made of molecules, molecules are made of atoms.
Atoms are made of other subatomic particles, they are made of quarks, and at
the end all are made of the combinations of superstrings. This superstring is
the prime living organism, which has single property to attract other similar.
No different entitity having different property can intereact.
Under physical laws, superstrings formed subatomic particles and then atoms,
molecules and complicated molecules like amoebas and bectarias under favorable
conditions. Then they under went evolution under fittest to survive.
Superstring is a Soul.
Soul + Soul = Soul.
The Cosmic Soul is the universe.
From: devindersingh gulati <dgulh...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, 3 April 2017 5:17 AM
Subject: Re: [TheBecoming] Re: Spirit & Reincarnation
First question is who is reborn?The second question is what is the necessity of
rebirth?The third is what is the process of rebirth?The answer to the first
question who is reborn is, there is a normal, common, popular notion that the
man whom we saw dying is really reborn. This is a very common, normal idea. A
man or woman who has died is reborn. And we begin to expect in the rebirth the
same tendencies which that man or woman who had died possessed. If that man was
heroic we expect that in next rebirth the same heroic man will continue to be
heroic. If that man was greedy then in the next birth the same personality will
continue to be greedy. If that personality had certain attachments with X or Y
or Z then we expect that in the next birth the same will continue. Such are
vague unclear, common notions. These notions are based on facts that we do not
make distinctions. Between four elements which are in our personality there is
the physical element, the physical body in which we are living; there is the
vital element which consists of desires, impulses, attractions, repulsions,
longings; there is a mental which consists of ideas, conceptions, dreams of
various kinds, visions of various kinds and finally there is a soul in us. We
do not even know the interconnection of all this.As a result of this, our
notion of the personality that dies and the personality that is born is also a
very vague and very unclear notion. Surely the same physical body is not
reborn. That body which is here is burnt and is turned to ashes or is buried
and there it gets disintegrated. But besides this physical body, there is the
internal body that does not get immediately disintegrated. This is called the
subtle physical body. The word subtle physical is a larger term which includes
subtle physical, vital and mental also. But in the subtle body there is a
subtle physical body also. This subtle physical body survives for quite some
time and if the vital and mental are not very much developed in us, if the soul
in us is not very much developed in us, then there would be an immediate
physical rebirth in another body. It would be almost a continuation of the kind
of personality that there was before because nothing was developed. This
answers to the common idea of the same personality being reborn. But this
happens only in the case of very rudimentary human beings, very, very
elementary, very barbaric human beings whose life is centered only on the
physical and other parts of the being are not developed. Now, for those who
have got vital being quite developed, mind also to some extent developed, and
the soul also slightly developed; in that case after the disintegration of the
physical body, also the subtle physical, the vital continues for some time. It
was developed already; it does not disappear. But on the physical earth,
basically only physical beings can live that is the specialty of this physical
world.If anyone wants to come on the earth and live on the earth, he has got to
have a physical body. If he does not have a physical body then one cannot live
long on the physical plane. So, there must be another plane where this vital
being developed in this body, which has still not disintegrated, which is still
continuing, passes through a certain plane and that must be a plane
corresponding to its own nature. If it is a vital being it goes to the life
plane, the vital plane, a vital world, a world which consists of vital beings.
This is a part of the occult knowledge. That apart from the physical world
there is a vital
world.http://www.kireetjoshiarchives.com/audio-video/audio.php?category=rebirth-and-other-worlds&id=473So
once you go to the life plane then you get a freer domain of expressing your
vital being. This also is a very important idea.What does it mean to get a
freer field to express the vital being? You notice that in this world of the
physical, we are constantly hampered by physical disabilities. There are many
things that we would like to do but either we are sick or we get fatigued very
easily, or else there is a need for sleep. Very often when our vital being is
very powerful we feel we should have 48 hours in a day to be able to do
everything that we want to do. There are so many things to be done but it is
the physical existence which hampers our full manifestation of all our vital
activities. In the vital plane this disability would not be there, so that it
may have a freer play of its energies. Very often many things that we cannot do
here in the physical plane we are able to accomplish in the vital plane, this
we are able to do by transmigrating into the life plane. And we reach a point
where all that we wanted to do is as it were exhausted.Once that is done then
we are able to pass to the other plane and if our mind was developed to some
extent then we go to the mental plane. There again, what we were not able to do
mentally here, we are able to accomplish over there. And a point is reached
where it is exhausted and then we are able to move to the plane of the pure
soul being which is called the Psychic plane. It is the psychic being actually,
which is the individual formation of the soul; which is immortal, it never
disintegrates, it is the inextinguishable flame. So that which really survives
the body after the death of the body it is this psychic body or soul which
remains disintegrated. The vital can become exhausted, mental can become
exhausted but the soul is never exhausted. It is actually you might say an
entity of potentiality which remains disintegrated.It is this soul personality
which has a sojourn on the psychic plane. And according to the level of
evolution that it has reached in the past births, and according to the
potentiality it has got of manifestation in the future, it waits for the
circumstances on the earth to arise appropriate to the need and then it takes a
new body on the physical plane by descending into the physical plane. Very
often when the soul is not very developed it does not make a conscious choice
of the circumstances in which it is to be born. It happens almost like
gravitation. But when the soul development has been sufficiently great, then it
can decide exactly when it is to be born. It can even preside over the
formation of the body, determine the formation of the body and take the birth
according to its needs very consciously. In the case of very developed souls
this is the normal condition. So it is actually the soul that takes
birth.http://www.kireetjoshiarchives.com/audio-video/audio.php?category=rebirth-and-other-worlds&id=474
Gulati
On Sunday, 2 April 2017 6:40 PM, "devindersingh gulati dgulh...@yahoo.com
[TheBecoming]" <thebecom...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I am saying the same thing, only differently.1. There is a soul.2. It is
permanent.3. It evolves.4. To begin with, it is ineffective to control life.
5. In the beginning instincts and desires predominate over mind.6. Gradually
the mind asserts its sovereignty.7. Mind is in turn more and more influenced by
soul as it grows.
8. Reincarnation of soul becomes necessary for the process to complete
itself.9. Reincarnation is as human only.10. Formations (Samskars) of desires
that are very strong may reincarnate in animals, not the soul.
Once you grant that there is a necessity of rebirth then many questions arise.
“There arises the first question of the process of rebirth; if that process is
not quickly successive, birth immediately following death of the body so as to
maintain an uninterrupted series of lives of the same person, if there are
intervals, that in its turn raises the question of the principle and process of
the passage to other worlds, which must be the scene of these intervals, and
the return to earth–life. A third question is the process of the spiritual
evolution itself and the mutations which the soul undergoes in its passage from
birth to birth through the stages of its adventure.”The first question is what
is the process of rebirth? Who is reborn, how is one reborn? In what form is he
reborn?The second is, is rebirth immediately successive. There are two notions
which are running in the world amongst those who believe in rebirth, not
sufficiently reconciled. According to one view you leave this body and you are
immediately reborn into another body. According to the other view once you come
out of the body you go through experiences of pleasure and pain according to
whether you have been good or bad on this earth. If you have been good you go
to heaven and pleasures of some kind, otherwise you will be chastised and sent
to hell for some time. And when this is over you take another birth. This is a
popular notion, not necessarily scientifically verifiable. These are the
current notions. We have to arrive at a very scientific conclusion on this
subject. Is rebirth immediately successive or if not immediately successive
then what happens to the soul in the interval?The third question is that in the
whole process of dying, coming out of the body, passing to wherever one has to
pass after the death of the body, returning to the new body; what is it that
the soul gains and how does it evolve itself. What is the process of its
evolution? What role does nature play and what role does the soul play in the
evolution of consciousness, which is the real purpose. These are the three
questions that
arise.http://www.kireetjoshiarchives.com/audio-video/audio.php?category=rebirth-and-other-worlds&id=471
Gulati
On Sunday, 2 April 2017 9:07 AM, S Turkman <turk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
As I said before, we are made of 3 things. Physical Body, Astral Body and
Spirit. When we die, Astral Body disintegrates and Spirit flies away to get
Reincarnated again as a Human of a 4 Legged Animal depending on each case but
normally back to another Human.Some in their 1st Sojourn or higher as Human may
prefer to be Reincarnated back as 4 Legged Animals, where they had started
from, if they did not like their Human Life.
CASE & POINT
I had an American friend, who could converse with 4 Legged Animals using
telepathy (Mentally without saying any words)..i asked, why she did not use
this skill at the Horse Races to win a lot of money?She said, "They are like 5
to 8 years old Children mentally. 3 or 4 of them say, they would win the Race.
Normally one of them wins but sometimes, one of the rest of them, who had said,
they would not, wins. One day, I was with her in a Shopping Center on Milwaukee
& Dempster Street, Desplaines, Illinois, USA. I saw a very crazy kind of Pet
Dog of some lady that had gone inside leaving it outside. I requested her to
talk with it. Following is the conversation:
LADY: Why are you acting so crazy?DOG: Because I am crazy?LADY: Why don't you
straighten out your act so,you could be born as a Human?DOG: I have already
done that. I was a Human. LADY: Did you act this crazy as a Human also?DOG: Yes
and I could not enter Fetus of a Human after that. LADY: Do you like this life
as a Dog?DOG: Yes. LADY: Why?DOG: Because this life is more fun and less
restrictive. LADY: How?DOG: You saw me rape a little Bitch. Nobody arrested me
to take to Jail. When I used to do this as a Human, they used to take me to
Jail and in court the Raped Girl used to testify so, I had started killing them
after raping so, they could not testify. I got caught again and was given Death
Sentence.
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