Prophetic words from way back in 2010, "Wayback71" wrote then: “Well, the longer they keep willing people out of the Domes, the less likely it is that they will ever return, even if restrictions are lifted some day or some year. I would say if the policy is ever to be changed, the Rajas should do it really soon. Or when they open the doors, there won't be anyone waiting to come in.” “Buck” did comment back then too.. Like quite a lot of Meditators in the dome now have 'not gone' to saints or spiritual healers either(!). Given the personalities, it will probably not be until a time comes after one current Prime Minister that anything like a reconciliation in the TM movement could happen. But like the Society of Friends with the loss of a lot of membership, shakti and resource in the meantime that had previously been there, the Quakers never really recovered the same after that old man's work had been done to the Society in those years. A good lesson.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <wayback71@...> wrote: > > > > Well, the longer they keep willing people out of the Domes, the less likely > it is that they will ever return, even if restrictions are lifted some day > or some year. I would say if the policy is ever to be changed, the Rajas > should do it really soon. Or when they open the doors, there won't be anyone > waiting to come in. > 71, Yep. that essentially has happened already here. A similar thing happened in Quaker history. Memberships of activist anti-slavery Friends were administratively withdrawn. A particular tyrannical and dictatorial Yearly Meeting Clerk came out with Minutes instructing all the Monthly Meetings under their Yearly Meeting to go out and withdraw the memberships of known anti-slavery Friends. Technically there was a larger tiff that was going on more about 'protecting' the essentially spiritual practice of Friends and the use of the organizational structure and facility of the Society of Friends by social activist activities. The conservatives saying that the Society was more strictly about spiritual practice as the Friend's unique Meeting for Worship (group meditation). Different Yearly Meetings handled the encroaching activism differently. Some just ignored it or said, "We're about spiritual practice, do that activism over there, not here thank you, we are about doing this here..." So, this one rigid doctrinal guideline guy who was the Yearly Meeting Clerk of the Indiana Yearly Meeting (which Iowa was under at the time) came out with this minute directing all meetings under their jurisdiction to actively go out and separate abolitionists. The overall membership at the time was quite large in America. There was a big 'Fuck You' from the separated Friends.. It was not that so many Friends of that time were not also abolitionists. (Sort of like meditators seeing saints) This was a guide-lining administrative application of this one rigid guy. Reconciliation was not possible the way it was done under Indiana Yearly Meeting. The separated Friends eventually were invited back after the old clerk had died and passed away. Actually, it became his son who subsequently became the new Clerk of Indiana Yearly Meeting and went out inviting old Friends back after the old man was gone. That next generation. Lot of parallel. Like quite a lot of Meditators in the dome now have not gone to saints or spiritual healers either(!). Given the personalities, it will probably not be until a time comes after one current Prime Minister that anything like a reconciliation in the TM movement could happen. But like the Society of Friends, with the loss of a lot of membership, shakti and resource in the meantime that had previously been there. The Quakers never really recovered the same after that old man's work had been done to the Society in those years. A good lesson. -Buck > Well, the longer they keep willing people out of the Domes, the less likely > it is that they will ever return, even if restrictions are lifted some day > or some year. I would say if the policy is ever to be changed, the Rajas > should do it really soon. Or when they open the doors, there won't be anyone > waiting to come in. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "wayback71" <wayback71@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Numbers skid > > > > > to lowest numbers > > > > > in almost a year. > > > > > > > > > > http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html > > > > > http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends, > > > > You know, I'm concerned > > > > that the Rajas are not going to > > > > get the dome numbers needed. > > > > > > > > It seems the `Watershed meeting' > > > > Was a flop and even counter-productive. > > > > The national tours of the Prime Minister > > > > and Raja of America too > > > > seem to have flopped. > > > > > > > > > > > > May be it is time. To > > > > abandon the "Don't ask, > > > > Don't tell" policy guidelines against seeing > > > > Saints and spiritual teachers. > > > > > > > > > > > > The TM policy guideline against > > > > people has rendered a whole > > > > movement of meditators ineligible > > > > to even come and help in the domes. > > > > And vulnerable too right now are > > > > many folks inside the domes > > > > who should be adjudicated ineligible > > > > by the policy guideline to be > > > > in there if truth be known. > > > > > > > > The policy clearly puts people in > > > > a bad feeling of limbo if they would like to > > > > be in the domes meditating. It's time for the > > > > Rajas to step up and change the > > > > ways. The Rajas are now the problem > > > > in the way > > > > to getting the dome numbers where > > > > they could be. > > > > > > > > It is time for the TM-Rajas > > > > to do away with the policy guideline > > > > of "Don't ask, don't tell", just like > > > > the modern day US military responding > > > > to reality is looking to do. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev, > > > > -Buck > > > > > > It is not as bad as it looks: the Dome numbers listed at the link above > > > show the big decline to be during Thanksgiving week and thru that > > > Friday, Nov 26th. So they will probably return to the low 1600's. I > > > wonder just how many more people are we talking about who would show up > > > regularly if there were no restrictions on who can attend? Do you have > > > any idea? Is it 50 or 400 people? > > > > > > > > > > > > They seem to be losing a hundred a week since the "Watershed Meeting". > > But last week there were quite a lot of people from the domes in Detroit > > with Ammachi. "Don't tell anyone I'm here!" > > > > But 71, I like the question. Work the number backwards. > > In the dome tallies it seems there are about 1.2k > > pundits counted. Then some students, faculty, staff. > > And the categories of off-campus folks. This all in an area where there > > evidently are about 2.5 thousand adult meditators living still. > > 2500 meditators in the area (Fairfield, Vedic City, Jefferson County) is a > > number the > > movement even uses to think about the problem. > > > > Consequently, there are only a very few hundred in the dome tallies other > > than > > the pundits. How many hundreds outside? > > How many out locally and out globally? > > Evidently some several hundreds > > locally and how many thousands out of the old TM-movement? > > Ask folks why when > > you travel. I do. > > > > Just with the numbers on the surface, it would seem the Raja administration > > is at odds with the off-campus folks of the meditator movement. > > > > Word on the Movement out in the world is often not good it seems. > > Traveling to other spiritual venues there are always > > lots of old TM'ers at these places. Ask them. > > > > Ask around outside of the dome-going movement and there > > is a dismay it has gone the way it has. > > Meditators yes, but a dismay that that the TM-movement would still > > discriminate > > against folks who would visit with other spiritual people. > > A reality is that life went on in the 1990's and 00's for a lot of people > > as meditators or as TM-movement teachers. > > The Rajas lived in a bubble of their own making. > > The problem now of low numbers is their own. The > > problem of low numbers is not going to change > > until they change. Folks are not going back for > > their own good reasons. There is an arrogance > > in TM Raja culture, policy and guideline that denies > > something more fundamentally spiritual than they have. > > It is called spiritual freedom. > > I think the rajas would call it Spiritual Cooties. > > > If they want to stay relevant, then evidently > > they are going to have to change. Or, not get the numbers they would really > > like to have in the domes, and they will lose their chance at the science. > > > > I hope they can reconcile, > > > > -Dug > > Well, the longer they keep willing people out of the Domes, the less likely > it is that they will ever return, even if restrictions are lifted some day > or some year. I would say if the policy is ever to be changed, the Rajas > should do it really soon. Or when they open the doors, there won't be anyone > waiting to come in. As an aside, I had no idea the pundits accounted for > 1,200 of the totals - leaving only 300-600 local meditators,staff, students > out of 2,500 in the area. I guess the Shrivastavas and Varmas should sponsor > another 1,000 pundits and- presto, problem solved. Cause I bet most of those > 2,500 who are not coming to the Domes are cootified. The only answer is > finding and importing uncontaminated meditators. > > But as mentioned before, if people really and truly want to do the whole > program with others, they can set up their own groups and align their times > with those in the Domes. > > > > http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html > > http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dome numbers and Invincibility Tallies: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html > > > > > > http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don;t blame the Rajas, though. This was MMY's policy and they > > > > > > > > are >following what they think he would do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, yes. Except that they (the Rajas) were given the complete > > > > > > > power and responsibility to run the TM-movement as needs be. > > > > > > > That was given at the time the movement's trusts were set up, at > > > > > > > the time of death. They have the complete authority amongst > > > > > > > themselves to do as they see fit; that is part of the drama in > > > > > > > this. Like at the "watershed" meeting. It is very much in their > > > > > > > court. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" > > > > > > > > > <wayback71@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, Doug. I know you wanted to help out with the > > > > > > > > > > numbers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. The dome program is compelling to some people and I > > > > > > > > > feel sorry the Rajas can't reconcile with the meditating > > > > > > > > > community. It is not a good trend for the dome numbers. The > > > > > > > > > written policy is clearly more restrictive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The way the 'National Policy' is newly written excludes > > > > > > > > > people from the dome programs for going to spiritual > > > > > > > > > teachers like John Douglas too. That will effect a lot of > > > > > > > > > people. Is just more cold water thrown on even bothering to > > > > > > > > > come back and apply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, it is official. > > > > > > > > > > > I could've helped > > > > > > > > > > > with the numbers > > > > > > > > > > > but my application > > > > > > > > > > > to the dome > > > > > > > > > > > has been denied. > > > > > > > > > > > The process has > > > > > > > > > > > ended, with a negative > > > > > > > > > > > Outcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was something > > > > > > > > > > > about Ammachi in their > > > > > > > > > > > file on me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Evidently the policy is > > > > > > > > > > > essentially still > > > > > > > > > > > "Don't ask, don't tell". > > > > > > > > > > > For regular citizens > > > > > > > > > > > Or TM teachers or Govs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The file had an entry > > > > > > > > > > > about something with > > > > > > > > > > > having seen Ammachi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish them well and > > > > > > > > > > > hope for them that > > > > > > > > > > > they get the > > > > > > > > > > > numbers meditating > > > > > > > > > > > they would like. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html > > > > > > > > > > > http://invincibleamerica.org/tallies.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Adi Shankara, > > > > > > > > > > > -Buck in FF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FW: > > > > > > > > > > > > October 12, 2010 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We were thrilled to see so many of you in the Dome for > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > "Transforming America" meeting on October 2ndand very > > > > > > > > > > > > encouraged by > > > > > > > > > > > > your warm support for our presentations. We were also > > > > > > > > > > > > greatly honored > > > > > > > > > > > > by the presence of Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam and by > > > > > > > > > > > > his kind words > > > > > > > > > > > > about this initiative. Thank you so much for coming. > > > > > > > > > > > > We hope that you > > > > > > > > > > > > have been taking action to help build our Super > > > > > > > > > > > > Radiance numbers in > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever way you can: by joining the Invincible > > > > > > > > > > > > America Assembly > > > > > > > > > > > > (click here to apply), by bringing your Sidha friends > > > > > > > > > > > > to the flying > > > > > > > > > > > > halls, and/or by increasing your own attendance at > > > > > > > > > > > > group program. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we announced at the meeting, Dr. Howard Settle has > > > > > > > > > > > > made a very > > > > > > > > > > > > generous offer to our community to help inspire our > > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 initiative: > > > > > > > > > > > > If we can increase our Super Radiance attendance by > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 per day, the > > > > > > > > > > > > Settle Foundation will match that increase by > > > > > > > > > > > > sponsoring an additional > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 Vedic Pandits in Maharishi Vedic City. The result > > > > > > > > > > > > would be 200 > > > > > > > > > > > > more participants in daily group programenough to > > > > > > > > > > > > take us over the > > > > > > > > > > > > 2,000 threshold every evening and on many mornings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a simple, novel, easy way to fulfill Dr. > > > > > > > > > > > > Settle's pledge to us. > > > > > > > > > > > > We can all simply commit to attending at least two > > > > > > > > > > > > more programs each > > > > > > > > > > > > and every weekand bringing a friend as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider the math: > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 more Sidhas per day = 1,400 more program > > > > > > > > > > > > "attendances" each week > > > > > > > > > > > > (200 more per day for 7 days) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If even a quarter of the nearly 3,000 Sidhas in our > > > > > > > > > > > > community > > > > > > > > > > > > committed to two more programs per week, we would > > > > > > > > > > > > create the > > > > > > > > > > > > equivalent of 100 additional Sidhas in the Domes > > > > > > > > > > > > immediatelyenough to > > > > > > > > > > > > set in motion the Settle pledge and establish 2,000 > > > > > > > > > > > > for the U.S. And > > > > > > > > > > > > we don't need to stop there. Each and every additional > > > > > > > > > > > > program adds to > > > > > > > > > > > > the collective impact of this initiative. (If you are > > > > > > > > > > > > already > > > > > > > > > > > > attending the maximum number of programs per week > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition, we can each contact as many fellow Sidhas > > > > > > > > > > > > as possible > > > > > > > > > > > > about this challenge. If each of us can bring at least > > > > > > > > > > > > one Sidha to > > > > > > > > > > > > the Dome for at least two more programs per week, we > > > > > > > > > > > > will create a > > > > > > > > > > > > large additional safety factor in numbers, and we will > > > > > > > > > > > > enjoy 2,000 > > > > > > > > > > > > every day, twice a day, throughout the year. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Attendance now is easy and comfortable. We have seven > > > > > > > > > > > > local group > > > > > > > > > > > > program halls, including the Domes, and seating has > > > > > > > > > > > > been expanded in > > > > > > > > > > > > them all. For Sidhas who would like to enjoy longer > > > > > > > > > > > > programs, the > > > > > > > > > > > > Settle grant program provides approximately $750 per > > > > > > > > > > > > month in support > > > > > > > > > > > > (for more information, call 641-472-1212 or visit > > > > > > > > > > > > www.invincibleamerica.org). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So please attend at least two more programs per week, > > > > > > > > > > > > every weekand > > > > > > > > > > > > bring a friend. And contact as many others Sidhas as > > > > > > > > > > > > possible to do > > > > > > > > > > > > the same. In this way we can easily stabilize the > > > > > > > > > > > > Super Radiance goal > > > > > > > > > > > > we came here to achieve and thereby help fulfill > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi's vision > > > > > > > > > > > > for our community, our nation, and our world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you in advance for your participationand for > > > > > > > > > > > > everything you do > > > > > > > > > > > > to create peace on earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raja John Hagelin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Honorary Chairman, > > > > > > > > > > > > Board of Trustees, > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi University > > > > > > > > > > > > of Management > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raja of Invincible > > > > > > > > > > > > America > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Bevan Morris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > President, Maharishi > > > > > > > > > > > > University of > > > > > > > > > > > > Management > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Prime Minister, > > > > > > > > > > > > Global Country of > > > > > > > > > > > > World Peace > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meditating for in the end is each > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I don't mean to preach here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But if you would choose to join > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With us in group meditation, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would be personally grateful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think if we lose this fight, we lose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The war. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Help out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Come back to meditation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Buck, in FF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://invincibleamerica.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://invincibleamerica.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "This is a critical time and a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tremendous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opportunity for all of us. We cannot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > afford to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fall back from what we have accomplished > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so far. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We need to sustain and build upon what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > created over these past four yearsand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > create > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true and lasting invincibility for our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nation and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > peace for our world family." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raja John Hagelin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are rapidly approaching > > > > > > > > > > > > > a moment of truth both for > > > > > > > > > > > > > ourselves, our nation > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the life of our > > > > > > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now the truth is not always > > > > > > > > > > > > > a pleasant thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > but it is very necessary to chose > > > > > > > > > > > > > between two distinguishable > > > > > > > > > > > > > post epochal environments now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1- with Nada and los other deniers > > > > > > > > > > > > > of spirituality here and > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2- with awakened souls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The science is very evidently clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > on this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > come be in meditation now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Buck in FF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Come and sit with us for a while and we'll have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Victory Before War'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, is a critical time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Oh the military man when including in his plan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The practice of Transcendental Meditation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makes friends with the Vacuum State > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His strength will be so great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There'll be victory for every nation! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Victory before war > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nobody violates the Laws of Nature anymore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A twenty one gun salute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For watering the root! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We meditate and then create > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At last a permanent Peaceful State! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Victory before war!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
