--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > It's not *about* the CIA.  It's about eltitists' innate
> > > need to feel important.  The TM organization panders to
> > > elitism.  It tells its members that they're so important
> > > that when they meditate they clear "stress" from the
> > > atmosphere and that when they bounce on their butts they
> > > create world peace.  It tells them that their belief
> > > systems are better than anyone else's in the world.  And
> > > to put the cherry on top of the self-importance cake, it
> > > tells people that they are SO important that the CIA and
> > > other evil forces are trying to persecute the founder of
> > > this So Very Special And Important Tradition, and thus
> > > are indirectly trying to persecute *them*, the really
> > > important ones, the ones who make it all happen with
> > > their cash.
> > > 
> > > It's so common in religious and spiritual traditions that
> > > the mind boggles that people still believe this crap. 
> > > But people still believe this crap, because they're more
> > > desperate to be "important" than they are to be rational.
> > 
> > 
> > I agree with everything in your assessment above, Tantra, except 
I 
> > do also believe that the two twenty minute periods of TM are 
great 
> > periods of rest and, yes, do release stree in both the 
individual 
> > practising it and the atmosphere. That fanatical true-believes 
> > also hold that position does not take away from what I believe 
> > is a reality.
> 
> I have no problem with you or anyone else believing
> that.  Me, I don't personally believe



...on a totally different topic:  Note your grammar above. You 
wrote: "Me, I don't personally...".  I've seen you do that before, 
Tantra, and I suspect that this has crept into your lexicon from 
living in France!  Do you think so?  Coming from a french-speaking 
area (Quebec) we use that grammatical construction as well: "Moi, je 
ne veux pas...or whatever".

Am I on to something here?  Or is this just as acceptable in English?






> that so-called
> "stress" has anything whatsoever to do with the lack
> of realization in the individual or with world problems,
> so it wouldn't make sense for me to believe that.  As
> for the basic TM technique being beneficial, no problemo.
> If the organization that thought it up still cared enough
> about helping people to make the technique available at
> a reasonable cost, I could probably overlook their 
> blatant moneygrubbing in other areas.  But they don't.
>






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