--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I think you people are missing the point, big-time. > > > > > > > > > > The very fact that someone should have to take out > > > > > a loan to learn to meditate is what's criminal. And > > > > > the organization that places the people of the world > > > > > in that position are the criminals. > > > > > > > > ******************* > > > > > > > > An instruction fee has always been part of Vedic culture. > > > > > > And that makes it OK? > > > > > > You people have *really* been trained to accept the > > > status quo and praise anything labeled "Vedic," > > > haven't you? >> > > > > No you have been brainwashed and you don't even know it. > > You have been brainwashed by Christian culture into beleiveng > > that the most good is done if it is charity. > > I'll actually address this, just because it's so > stupid I think I can have fun doing so. :-) > > First, although the *dogma* of Christian culture > may assert such a thing, in practice, modern > Christianity acts in anything *but* a charitable > manner. Much of the "born again" movement is > based on "Me-first-ism," to the max. It's all > about the *individual* having an "experience of > Christ," and about the *individual* finding a > "relationship with Christ." Very little of the > teachings have to do with actually living the > way that Christ suggested one should live, in > terms of serving one's fellow man. (There are > strong exceptions to this, of course, and some > of these churches do wonderful work, and I > applaud them for doing so.) > > Second, since I was never a Christian and have > always had a strong antipathy to modern Christ- > ianity and its culture, it doesn't make a lot of > sense to suggest that I'd be brainwashed by it. :-) > > > This is a false notion and > > you are thinking like a child. > > And you assert that it's "false" based on what? > Something you were told by TM teachers who were > told what to tell you? :-) > > You forget sometimes who you are talking to here. > We're the people who actually went to TM Teacher > Training and were taught to mindlessly repeat > the things you're now mindlessly repeating. :-)>>>
I have noticed a lot of the old time teachers are not very rational or broadly perceptive. Must have something to do with the 60's and 70's.:-) > > > You need to start thinking bigger instead of this > > inneffective hippy idea of free communes and free > > love for all. > > This will not work to help the world. > > Actually, it would. But I don't think I've ever > suggested such a thing. What I've suggested is > that I believe that the teaching of meditation > is *most effective*, FOR ALL CONCERNED, when it > is done for free, with the teachers donating > their time and/or paying for the teaching process > themselves. I base this belief on the subjective > experience of having done it that way, having > done it the "other" way (the for-profit approach > taken by TM and other groups), and on watching > the effects of the two different teaching pro- > cesses, on both students and teachers. My main > reason for believing as I do is that I believe > that teaching for free is better *for the teachers*, Small thinking again:It is better for the teachers and the one student. But for the world as a whole - in the most dangerous time in history - it is of negligible importance that borders on selfish....flirts with the devil (ie.I, me, mine). > and that that which is better for them and enables > them to stay in a higher state of attention winds > up being better for the students as well. > > But if I understand correctly, you've never taught > meditation in *either* context, right? You're > just stating that things are FALSE and TRUE based > *entirely* on what you've been told by others. > Right? :-) :-) :-)>>> No I am stating rationality. I don't care about your subjective experience of teaching. You are trying to get me to 'believe' you based on your "superior" experience. It is the same bullshit that most of the the baby-boomer TM teachers have spouted both inside and outside the movement. I am using rationality....not religion....as you are. For the world as a whole - in the most dangerous time in history - it is of negligible importance to teach small time, in which no-one is taught for free in India and elsewhere, as a result of your teaching, and that borders on selfish....flirts with the devil (ie.I, me, mine). When TM teachers teach one person in the West, numerous, possibly hundreds of people learn for free in India and elsewhere, due to the organization that Maharishi has built for 50 years. You may actually be stealing from these poor people in 3rd world countries that cannot afford Western prices. So please get off your high horse about being a 'real' teacher, and deal with rationality. I have no interest in joining your religion. OffWorld ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
