--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jan 7, 2006, at 4:38 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:
> 
> > Well, if you mean enlightenment to mean "something good is 
happening",
> > then fine. Its just traditionally the term has been used in 
specific
> > ways. And in recent years some have hijacked the term and used it 
to
> > label almost anything, BUT implying that they mean the same as
> > traditional "enlightenment". Its a bit of a charlatan's game is 
some
> > caes, IMO.
> 
> Bottom line: the words for different "states" of enlightenment 
just  
> don't exist in English. That's why I always insist my 
enlightenment  
> has the 100% Vedic tag :-)...no seriously...in their correct 
sense,  
> the Sanskrit names relating to the different states of 
consciousness  
> have a precise meaning. That's not to say everyone needs to parrot  
> out the same description, everyone's different.
> 
> IME the vast majority of people claiming "enlightenment", in 
Vedantic  
> terms, have had a taste of the Self. "Self-recognition". Grokked 
the  
> View.
> 
> It doesn't mean we've carried the View, have gained confidence in 
the  
> View or are established in it. If we can rest in the View for long  
> enough, signs manifest. It's precisely because these signs aren't  
> mentioned, it's natural to wonder.
>

DO yuo know what "grok" means?






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