--- In [email protected], "Alex Stanley" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], a_non_moose_ff 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > That there are apparent contradictions as consciousness 
> > > unfolds, 
> > > does not imply that ALL contradictory statements are valid or
> > > "enlightened".  Doublespeak, masquerading as rational or 
> > > superior
> > > insights, is the tool of charlatans and political repression. 
> > > It is
> > > manifestation the orwellian vison of 1984. 
> > > 
> > > A clear, finely tuned intellect is necessary for realization 
> > > and
> > > appreciation of higher states. Muddled thinking, gross and over
> > > reaching generalizations, are not a sign of higher states, but 
> > > of bondage and ignorance.
> > 
> > Thanks for this. I haven't had such a good laugh 
> > in days.
> 
> I dunno... maybe my thinking is muddled, but Akashanon's comment
> didn't strike me as the least bit funny. 

My sense of humor is a little weird. :-)

The whole idea of someone trying to claim that idealized
qualities of intellectual argumentation are a necessary
characteristic of enlightenment just cracked me right up.

> Yesterday, while alone on a trip to Iowa City, the sentence, 
> "A clear, finely tuned intellect is necessary for realization 
> and appreciation of higher states." was in the back of my 
> mind all day. And judging by my recent experience, I disagree. 

So do I.  That was one reason I considered it so funny.
*Nothing* except being sentient is necessary for
realization of and appreciation of higher states of
awareness.

> I can see how a finely tuned intellect would be useful for 
> more accurately conveying in language the experience of 
> non-dual awareness...

I'm harder to please. I don't think than an intellect
the size of Mount Rushmore would be the least bit of
help when trying to convey the experience of non-dual
awareness.  Can't be done.  People who consider them-
selves intellectuals would just like to believe it can
be done.  :-)

> ...but for me, at least, the real
> appreciation has been on the level of heart. 

Which is why intellectuals (or people who are stuck in
the intellect) just can't get it.  

> Trying to analyze it intellectually is only mildly 
> interesting and somewhat frustrating;

I liken intellectual discussions of enlightenment to 
masturbating in public. Nice, I guess, if you're into
that sorta thing, but kind of a waste of time and energy
if you're not.

> ...but, just innocently being aware of the awareness is 
> like bathing in love.

Yup.







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