--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > That the simple statment, "the intellect is a quite useful*
> > > tool in the attainment of higher states" was found so 
> > > incorrect by some readers as to be hilarious, at least
> > > can't help but raise a smile. 
> >  
> > That's a topic I participated in, but it was Barry who viciously
> > attacked you with his laughter. I only disagreed in a respectful 
> tone.
> > 
> > > So much talk on this list, particularly by neo-advaitans
> > > or pseudo-advaitans, is about the great value of
> > > self-inquiry. What exactly is used in self-inquiry, ones
> > > big toe?
> > 
> > What's really funny for me right now is how everything is flipped
> > upside down and inside out. I have zero formal training in
> > self-inquiry, and asking myself "who am I" used to result in 
nothing
> > but frustration and an immediate shift of attention to anything 
> else.
> > Recently, I've been asking myself the same question, and it 
> literally
> > shuts down my intellect, every time. I ask the question and I
> > immediately zone out into awareness. So, what's being used? I 
don't
> > know! It seems like it starts with intellect, but the answer is
> > utterly beyond it. 
> > 
> > Similarly, for the past 10-12 years, I couldn't tolerate more 
than 
> 3-5
> > minutes of TM at a time. But, the other morning, I woke up at 
3:30am
> > and sat up to meditate. No mantra came to me, and I just sat 
there,
> > silently witnessing the breath, which became very faint. And, 20
> > minutes went by in a flash. In all my years of doing TM, I 
*never* 
> had
> > as profoundly deep a meditation as that. I was all like, "No no 
no!
> > You don't meditate to awaken! You awaken so you can meditate!" 
> LOL!!!
> >  
> > Alex
> >
> 
> Even the thought ABOUT the mantra is the mantra...
>

Also, kill that Buddha dude. Who cares if the meditation was deep or 
not?






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