--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That the simple statment, "the intellect is a quite useful*
> > > > tool in the attainment of higher states" was found so 
> > > > incorrect by some readers as to be hilarious, at least
> > > > can't help but raise a smile. 
> > >  
> > > That's a topic I participated in, but it was Barry who viciously
> > > attacked you with his laughter. I only disagreed in a respectful 
> > tone.
> > > 
> > > > So much talk on this list, particularly by neo-advaitans
> > > > or pseudo-advaitans, is about the great value of
> > > > self-inquiry. What exactly is used in self-inquiry, ones
> > > > big toe?
> > > 
> > > What's really funny for me right now is how everything is flipped
> > > upside down and inside out. I have zero formal training in
> > > self-inquiry, and asking myself "who am I" used to result in 
> nothing
> > > but frustration and an immediate shift of attention to anything 
> > else.
> > > Recently, I've been asking myself the same question, and it 
> > literally
> > > shuts down my intellect, every time. I ask the question and I
> > > immediately zone out into awareness. So, what's being used? I 
> don't
> > > know! It seems like it starts with intellect, but the answer is
> > > utterly beyond it. 
> > > 
> > > Similarly, for the past 10-12 years, I couldn't tolerate more 
> than 
> > 3-5
> > > minutes of TM at a time. But, the other morning, I woke up at 
> 3:30am
> > > and sat up to meditate. No mantra came to me, and I just sat 
> there,
> > > silently witnessing the breath, which became very faint. And, 20
> > > minutes went by in a flash. In all my years of doing TM, I 
> *never* 
> > had
> > > as profoundly deep a meditation as that. I was all like, "No no 
> no!
> > > You don't meditate to awaken! You awaken so you can meditate!" 
> > LOL!!!
> > >  
> > > Alex
> > >
> > 
> > Even the thought ABOUT the mantra is the mantra...
> >
> 
> Also, kill that Buddha dude. 

Look, I'm not a chubby chaser, but just because that Buddha dude is
packing on some extra pounds is no reason to kill him.

> Who cares if the meditation was deep or not?

Hell, I don't even care whether I meditate or not!






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