I agree with Judy. The TMO is usually not that excessive in its use of quantum physics metapohors, but there are individuals with rather concrete thinking that hvave blurred the metaphor/ experience distinction.
--- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > File Under: TMO lies and marketing ploys; > > I'm not sure the TMO has ever made the claims Wilber > debunks, actually. > > > Boomeritis Hinduism; Pseudo- > > advaita > > > > Answers from biologist and physicist Ken Wilber. > > > > http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6 > > > > The first question has to do directly with the > relation of modern > > quantum physics and spirituality. In effect, does > physics prove > God, > > does the Tao find proof in quantum realities? > > > > Answer: "Categorically not. I don't know more > confusion in the > last > > thirty years than has come from quantum > physics...." > > > > Ken goes on to outline the three major confusions > that have > dominated > > the popular (mis)understanding of the relationship > of physics and > > mysticism. > > > > #1: Your consciousness does not create electrons. > Unlike Newtonian > > physics, which can predict the location of large > objects moving at > > slow speeds, quantum physics only offers a > probability wave in > which > > a given particle, like an electron, should show > up. But here's the > > funny thing: it is only at the moment that one > makes the > measurement > > that the electron actually does "show up." Certain > writers and > > theorists have thus suggested that human > intentionality actually > > creates reality on a quantum level. The most > popular version of > this > > idea can be found in the movie What the Bleep Do > We Know?!, in > which > > we "qwaff" reality into existence. > > > > Ken suggests this is both bad physics and bad > mysticism. As for > the > > former, in his book, Quantum Questions, Ken > compiled the original > > writings of the 13 most important founders of > modern quantum and > > relativistic physics, to explore their > understanding of the > > relationship of physics and mysticism. Without > exception, each one > of > > them believed that modern physics does NOT prove > spiritual > realities > > in any fashion. And yet each of them was a mystic, > not because of > > physics, but in spite of it. By pushing to the > outer limits of > their > > discipline, a feat which requires true genius, > they found > themselves > > face to face with those realities that physics > categorically could > > not explain. > > > > Likewise, none of those founders of modern physics > believed that > the > > act of consciousness was responsible for creating > particles at the > > quantum level. David Bohm did not believe that, > Schroedinger did > not > > believe that, Heisenberg did not believe that. > That belief > requires > > the enormous self-infatuation and narcissism, or > "boomeritis," of > the > > post-modern ego, and Ken goes into the possible > psychology behind > all > > of that. > > > > #2: Quantum vacuum potentials are not unmanifest > Spirit. The > > immediate problem with the notion that certain > "unmanifest" or > > "vacuum" quantum realities give rise to the > manifest world, and > that > > the quantum vacuum is Spirit, is that it > immediately presupposes a > > radically divided Spirit or Ultimate. There is > Spirit "over here," > > manifestation "over there," and it's only through > these quantum > > vacuum potentials that Spirit actualizes > manifestation�with Spirit > > set apart from manifestation. > > > > As the great contemplative traditions agree, true > nondual Spirit > is > > the suchness, emptiness, or isness of all > manifestation, and as > such > > leaves everything exactly where it finds it. > Nondual Spirit is no > > more set apart from manifestation than the wetness > of the ocean is > > set apart from waves. Wetness is the suchness or > isness of all > waves. > > By identifying Spirit with quantum potential, you > are actually > > qualifying the Unqualifiable, giving it > characteristics�"and right > > there," Ken says, "things start to go horribly > wrong, and they > never > > recover. These folks are trying to give > characteristics to > Emptiness. > > They therefore make it dualistic. And then things > get worse from > > there...." > > > > #3: Just because you understand quantum mechanics > doesn't mean > you're > > enlightened. Physics is an explicitly 3rd-person > approach to > reality, > > whereas meditative, contemplative, or mystical > disciplines are > > explicitly 1st-person approaches to reality. > Neither perspective > is > > more real than the other, but each perspective > does disclose > > different truths, and you cannot use the truth > disclosed in one > > domain to "colonize" another. The study of > physics, as a 3rd- > person > > discipline, will not get you enlightenment; and > meditation, as a > 1st- > > person discipline, will not disclose the location > of an asteroid > (or > > an electron). The "content" of enlightenment is > the realization of > > that which is timeless, formless, and eternally > unchanging. The > > content of physics is the understanding of the > movement of form > > within time, i.e. that which is constantly > changing. And if you > hook > > Buddha's enlightenment to a theory of physics that > gets disproved > > tomorrow, does that mean Buddha loses his > enlightenment? > > > > Ken goes on to suggest that what might be > influencing quantum > > realities is not Suchness per se, but bio-energy > or prana, which > may > > be the source of the crackling, buzzing, electric > creativity that > so > > many theorists have tried to explain at the > quantum level. Of > course, > > it remains to be seen exactly what further > research does and does > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
