--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 22, 2006, at 10:42 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > Where do they make the claims that Wilber debunks? > > > > The claims listed in your previous post were: > > > > --Physics proves God; the Tao finds proof in quantum > > realities. > > --Your consciousness creates electrons. > > --Quantum vacuum potentials are unmanifest Spirit. > > --Understanding quantum mechanics means you're > > enlightened. > > > > I can't recall ever hearing any of these claims > > from the TMO. > > The post was a brief summary of the 37 minute talk from Ken's web > site. > > Of course if you don't *want* to see what he is talking about, you > won't.
I have enormous respect for Wilber's thinking in this area; I've been citing him for years. His analyses have greatly clarified my own understanding. If he debunked a TM claim, his would be the last word, as far as I'm concerned. His introductory essay in Quantum Questions is extraordinarily lucid and tightly reasoned as to what can and cannot be said with reference to quantum mechanics and mysticism. > It's pretty damn obvious to me. What might throw TM people off > is that he does not use TM-speak to convey his ideas, but more > generic, universal terminology. Actually the fact that Wilber uses more generic, universal terminology may be what's throwing *you* off. I suspect you're *assuming* that what he's saying debunks the TM claims, when in fact the TM claims are much more specific and nuanced--both in terms of MMY's teaching and of quantum mechanics--than what he's debunking. I could be wrong, but I'd need to see the evidence. Again, as you've posted them, the claims he debunks are not claims I've ever heard the TMO make. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
