On Jan 23, 2006, at 10:45 AM, authfriend wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On Jan 22, 2006, at 5:20 PM, authfriend wrote:



OK, I've listened to it, and I think you need to

listen to it again.  The fallacy Wilber is talking

about doesn't have anything to do with TM's claims.


Perhaps you also need to review what TM claims,

for that matter.



No that's all right, it's pretty clear to me. For example he says

in regard to the popular movie "What the Bleep" which prominently  

features John Hagelin making some typical but rather wild (TMO 

type) claims:


"For example "What the Bleep Do we Know", I would say that more or  

less every actual assertion they make about physical realities,  

meaning "quantum realities" and their relationship to spiritual  

reality is categorically FALSE."



Well, again, we'd need to know what Hagelin actually

*said* in the film, and what Wilber means by "*more or

less* every assertion."  If that vague statement makes

it all "pretty clear" to you, I'd say you're rather 

easily satisfied.


I'm not a believer, maybe that's why. I realize this whole idea that Wilber is presenting takes apart many of the claims of the TMO and this would probably be hard or impossible for you to accept. To me he is stating things that were rather obvious before I heard him talk about it.



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