--- In [email protected], doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > It is in two only superficially. Though in the same > > > > > spot, tropical view puts it in Aries, and sideral view puts it in > > > > > Pisces. I think thats where you are confusing your frames. > > > > > > > > No, I'm just assuming Tropical. The same frame-of- > > > > reference principle holds whether it's Tropical > > > > Sidereal. In their own context, Tropical versus > > > > Sidereal are also different frames of reference, but > > > > that's not the difference I'm talking about here. > > > > > > I think it is the difference. > > > > Nope, not. > > > > > You can't have VE occurring, tropically, > > > both in pisces and aries this year. > > > > Never said that. > > You said: > > "As I suggested earlier, the day-to-day position of > the sun in the Zodiac is an entirely different frame > of reference from the position of the sun from year > to year at the time of the vernal equinox. > > In the latter frame of reference, this year the sun > will be in Pisces at the time of the vernal equinox > (it'll enter Aquarius in 2013). However, in the > former frame of reference, this year the sun will be > in the first degree of Aries at the vernal equinox." > > You above clarified that in your view that "both" points of > reference are tropical. The obsevational reference is the same.
I don't even know if the former frame of reference is Tropical. The thing is that the two frames of reference are different in an entirely different way than the Tropical/Sidereal frames of reference are different. Or to put it another way, Tropical/Sidereal are two different ways of measuring the same thing; but what you're measuring when you want to know where the vernal equinox occurs in 13,000 years is something else entirely. You're getting day-to-day confused with year-to-year. > Reorganizing your references you seem to be saying: > > In the frame of reference from the position of the sun from year > to year at the time of the vernal equinox, this year the sun > will be in Pisces at the time of the vernal equinox > > However, in the the day-to-day position of the sun in the Zodiac frame > of reference, this year the sun will be in the first degree of Aries > at the vernal equinox." > > How is this not saying VE is occurring, tropically > both in pisces and aries this year? Because they're completely different frames of reference. > You appear to think tropically that "the position of the sun from year > to year at the time of the vernal equinox" is different from "the > day-to-day position of the sun in the Zodiac frame of reference". > You appear to have made a distinction in language,inyour mind, that > does not correspond to a distinction in the world. > > If, tropically, the sun is in aries in "the position of the sun from > year to year at the time of the vernal equinox" the sun is also in > aries, tropically in "the day-to-day position of the sun in the > Zodiac frame of reference". > > Same observational RP, same calculational RP. Not...that's where your problem lies. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
