Re: [FairfieldLife] Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.

[Vaj]

On Feb 4, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Rick Archer wrote: on 2/4/06 9:32 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ONLY if you buy the definition of enlightenment that Maharishi peddles.  That's my point.  His definition is that the enlightened can do no wrong. There have been people in FF who have claimed to be enlightened or intuitively gifted and have set themselves up as financial advisors, losing large sums of money for their naïve clients. He has *allowed* people in his organization to believe that he is enlightened for 40 years now.  He has also defined enlightenment as being unable to do wrong. Therefore, he has carefully *allowed* everyone to believe that he can do no wrong.  If he had *not* intended to convey this impression, he could have stated outright that he was not enlightened, or that he makes mistakes; neither has happened. I've heard him admit mistakes a few times. Once was in Switzerland in front of the entire International Staff. I got up and asked him why he told us to go to bed early and then kept us all up so late. He said he was wrong to do that, and we all got on an early to bed routine for several months after that. Also, Jennifer said that Maharishi told her the death of the boy on the beach in Mallorca was karmic retribution for the mistakes he was making (presumably with her). That lecture you downloaded yesterday, the section on enlightenment and assholes, touches nicely on this topic and how people (e.g. Adi Da, Chogyam Trungpa) use it to commit the most unethical acts. As Ken put's it rather nicely, while ethics are insufficient for enlightenment, you will not be able to sustain enlightenment without them. As Eros (universal love) expands, Ethos (ethical behavior) naturally follows. Otherwise "the dream" (Maya) becomes the nightmare and objects in consciousness (sense objects) become troublesome rather than inert.  To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.