--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 17, 2006, at 4:31 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > >> On Feb 17, 2006, at 11:59 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: > >>> --- TurquoiseB wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I never think of such inter- > >>>> actions with teachers in terms of darshan or > >>>> transmission; it's not as if they were really > >>>> *doing* anything. All that was necessary was to > >>>> be in their presence and then "recognition" took > >>>> over. In them I could *recognize* attributes of > >>>> myself that I was not using, and they were. Same > >>>> with some of the geographical power places. > >>> > >>> Makes me think of how Fairfield's Wednesday evening > >>> satsang works. > >> > >> Like earthworms maybe? > >> > >> "Masters of old lashed out at those who claimed to be > >> enlightened yet refused to be tested, calling them > >> "earthworms living in the slime of self-validated > >> satori"." > >> -Philip Kapleau Roshi > >> > >> How many were tested by their teachers? would be my > >> question--but I think I already know the answer. > > > > Well, duh. The "tests" were devised by those who > > were protected their followings. Whether or not > > they had any veracity depends entirely on whether > > one believes the creator of the "test." *Exactly* > > like "TM science." :-) > > Naw, one just needs an authentic teacher. > > In this case the tests were devised to eliminate the error of > maintaining a false View and to avoid falling into error. Understand > that falling into to error could mean an entire lifetime wasted on > egocentric bullshit.
Thank god that has not happened here! > Having witnessed masters test a good number of > students--including myself--I can tell you such testing is an > incredible learning tool. For example much suffering and potential > error could be eliminated in the Neo- and Pseudo-advaita people if > they simply knew how to give "pointing-out instructions" which > enabled one to continue in an authentic way. > > In no testing system that I am aware of is there an underlying intent > to "protect their followings". Since, in the example of a pointing- > out instruction, the state of enlightenment is directly transmitted, > there is no "belief" necessary. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
