--- In [email protected], t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > But you're welcome to it if it floats your boat. > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess there is simply no choice. > > > > > > > > > > See? That's where we differ. I have a choice. :-) > > > > > > > > No, the situation is the same for us both, just you > > > > think about it differently. > > > > > > +++ You stand in the rain-you get wet-problem > > > You don't stand in the rain, you dont, no problem. > > > Your choice, your problem. N. > > > > I tend to agree. For me, it's about making the > > choice to come in out of the rain. > > > > As I read what trinity is saying, he doesn't > > believe that he has that choice. Someone or > > something else makes it for him. > > Right, in this particular case the nerve-cells of my skin > that tell me,that this wetness is cold and the prickling > sensation somewhat uncomfortable. The example is in fact > very apt: Who wouldn't go out of the rain if he has a > choice, so isn't he really stupid who stays there? This > is the simplistic appeal of Barry. On a second thought you > can see, that your reaction is more of a biological response, > filtered through your present mental conditioning. > > > So if I stand in the rain and get wet, it's > > the result of my choice. I take responsibility > > for my wetness and having caused it. > > No, its the rain which makes you wet. The rain makes you > go inside. > > > It he stands in the rain and gets wet, it's > > because the universe wanted it that way. :-) > > The universe wanted him to go inside.
So the guy goes inside, out of the rain. And it's perfect. Here's a question for you -- would going inside have been any *less* perfect if the individual made the decision about whether to go inside or not using his free will? I'm beginning to wonder if what you believe is that the *only way* perfection could exist in the universe is if the universe itself "runs things," and there *is* no free will. Such a belief would imply a distrust in the ability of decisions made by individual beings within that universe, individuals who have free will, to make decisions that are perfect. I have no problem conceiving of a universe that runs on the operating system of karma + free will that is nonetheless perfect. Can you? ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
