--- In [email protected], anon_astute_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "Ingegerd"
> <marwincornyarmand@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], anon_astute_ff <no_reply@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Many cultures have sacred symbols, or sinful acts -- that often 
> > seem
> > > trivial to other cultures. Creating an image of Mohammad -- in 
> > Islam
> > > is one of the latter. Seems odd to many christians. Hey its just  a
> > > cartoon. But let the same see a US flag burned, and they are ready 
> > to
> > > nuke the perpetrators. Another culture says, its just a piece of
> > > cloth, why the fuss? 
> > > 
> > > In Norway, as I recall, its an intolerable crime to insult the 
> > king,
> > > even as a joke.
> > 
> > The stand-up comedian have making jokes of the King for years. It is 
> > not looked at as a crime at all in Norway. Sometimes you need jokes 
> > about "holy" things or dogmas simply to put an eye on it - to maybe 
> > start a process of discussion and through discussions make changes. 
> > Ingegerd
> 
> Ok Thanks for the clarification. When I visited Oslo, the point was
> made about the king to me. I was not sure how "real" it was.
> 
> > Sometimes you need jokes 
> > about "holy" things or dogmas simply to put an eye on it - to maybe 
> > start a process of discussion and through discussions make changes. 
> 
> I agree humor and satire can, in appropriate circumstances, be good
> discussion starters. And help people see more sides of an issue. But
> not always in all circumstances. Its not always effective. There is a
> time and place for humor. 
> 
> In my view, the editors of the magazine that published the cartoons
> are imbeciles with no cultural sensitivity. Its "free speech" just as
> yelling fire in a theatre is, or yelling "niggers" to a crowd
> assembled to protest a beating of a black by a police officer. Not all
> free speech is protected in the US. When it is, it can sometimes be an
> exercise in stupidity. 
> 
> Free speech does not protect one from the consequences of poor taste,
> imbecilic outbursts, or culturally ignorant explosive speech. For
> example, If I see a group of latino youths and I shout "your sisters a
> whore", its protected free speech. But I must bear the consequences of
> having the shit beat out of me for my poor taste.
>

There is a 'level difference' between beating the shit out of you and
killing you for your poor taste.


JohnY







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