On Feb 27, 2006, at 7:41 PM, wmurphy77 wrote:

That is the most realistic estimate any TM'er (Charlie Lutes) ever gave 

to how long it would take to *start* functioning from the *home* of all 

the laws of nature!! Even MMY himself said it would take a million 

years to reach CC (at Fuiggi) unless you go to courses.

To suggest a few thousand *rice converts* could be recruited, given a 

mantra and some good thoughts to think along with it, could create 

world peace is wishful thinking to say the least!

Very few TM'ers have even *fully* transended *once* much less even 

function from that subtle level. When I mean transcend, I mean 

transcend...TO SAMADHI! (Look it up in the book)

The true definition of "Cosmic Consciousness" is samadhi 24/7/365 -- so what does that tell you about their promises about enlightenment?

I like the way Vimalananda figured it out: if someone is in samadhi there are ways to tell. John Hagelin or Bevan Morris (or actually Brigante might be the right man for this job) if you are listening, try the following on Mahesh Varma next time you are in close proximity while he is meditating or doing a sankalpa, etc. Consider it part of a science experiment to see if people can really place their consciousness in the Unified Field of all the laws of nature. This could also be performed on others claiming Cosmic Consciousness or higher:

The Aghori Vimalananda, spiritual mentor of Robert Svoboda was well learned in the ways of karma and also very passionate about testing and uncovering the falsity of saints and teachers who overestimated their own spiritual stature. Robert Svoboda reports, "Almost without exception, every time he ran across somebody who he thought was too big for his spiritual britches, he regarded it as being his responsibility to ensure that they came down towards earth, if not all the way down to the ground." The following story was told by Vimalananda to Robert Svoboda about how he "tested" an Indian spiritual teacher named Taat Maharaj.

"I was hard on Taat Maharaj ... One of my friends brought me to Taat Maharaj by telling me he could sit in samadhi for hours at a time while his followers sang and chanted. I didn't believe it, so I went to have his darshana (the viewing of a saint or deity). Sure enough, I could see that he was merely closing his eyes and fooling everyone. On top of that I was supposed to bow down to him! While I waited there I examined the room carefully and came up with a plan. Back at home I sharpened the point of a long iron nail until it was razor sharp. A few days later I returned to Taat Maharaj and got into the line to touch his lotus feet. When I got to the head of the line I bent down, raised the nail high above my head, and jabbed it into his foot. My God! What a howl came from that charlatan! His bellowings even drowned out the warbles of his singers.

"Wouldn't most people have responded to a nail in the foot even if they were in samadhi?"

No, not if the samadhi is genuine. A person who is in samadhi has no knowledge whatsoever of the outside world so long as he remains in samadhi. If Taat Maharaj had actually been in samadhi he would have felt nothing from that nail, not even a pinprick. But he was just pretending, so he felt it all. Everyone was so stunned that I had time to rush out the door to where an accomplice was waiting in the getaway car, and off we sped. I don't like to think about what might have happened to me had I been caught!"'"

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