--- In [email protected], wmurphy77 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 27, 2006, at 7:41 PM, wmurphy77 wrote: > > > > > That is the most realistic estimate any TM'er (Charlie Lutes) > ever > > > gave > > > to how long it would take to *start* functioning from the *home* > of > > > all > > > the laws of nature!! Even MMY himself said it would take a million > > > years to reach CC (at Fuiggi) unless you go to courses. > > > > > > To suggest a few thousand *rice converts* could be recruited, > given a > > > mantra and some good thoughts to think along with it, could create > > > world peace is wishful thinking to say the least! > > > > > > Very few TM'ers have even *fully* transended *once* much less even > > > function from that subtle level. When I mean transcend, I mean > > > transcend...TO SAMADHI! (Look it up in the book) > > > > The true definition of "Cosmic Consciousness" is samadhi 24/7/365 -- > > > so what does that tell you about their promises about enlightenment? > > > > I like the way Vimalananda figured it out: if someone is in > samadhi > > there are ways to tell. John Hagelin or Bevan Morris (or actually > > Brigante might be the right man for this job) if you are > listening, > > try the following on Mahesh Varma next time you are in close > > proximity while he is meditating or doing a sankalpa, etc. > Consider > > it part of a science experiment to see if people can really place > > their consciousness in the Unified Field of all the laws of > nature. > > This could also be performed on others claiming Cosmic > Consciousness > > or higher: > > > > The Aghori Vimalananda, spiritual mentor of Robert Svoboda was > well > > learned in the ways of karma and also very passionate about > testing > > and uncovering the falsity of saints and teachers who > overestimated > > their own spiritual stature. Robert Svoboda reports, "Almost > without > > exception, every time he ran across somebody who he thought was > too > > big for his spiritual britches, he regarded it as being his > > responsibility to ensure that they came down towards earth, if not > > all the way down to the ground." The following story was told by > > Vimalananda to Robert Svoboda about how he "tested" an Indian > > spiritual teacher named Taat Maharaj. > > > > "I was hard on Taat Maharaj ... One of my friends brought me to > Taat > > Maharaj by telling me he could sit in samadhi for hours at a time > > while his followers sang and chanted. I didn't believe it, so I > went > > to have his darshana (the viewing of a saint or deity). Sure > enough, > > I could see that he was merely closing his eyes and fooling > everyone. > > On top of that I was supposed to bow down to him! While I waited > > there I examined the room carefully and came up with a plan. Back > at > > home I sharpened the point of a long iron nail until it was razor > > sharp. A few days later I returned to Taat Maharaj and got into > the > > line to touch his lotus feet. When I got to the head of the line I > > bent down, raised the nail high above my head, and jabbed it into > his > > foot. My God! What a howl came from that charlatan! His bellowings > > even drowned out the warbles of his singers. > > > > "Wouldn't most people have responded to a nail in the foot even if > > they were in samadhi?" > > > > No, not if the samadhi is genuine. A person who is in samadhi has > no > > knowledge whatsoever of the outside world so long as he remains in > > samadhi. If Taat Maharaj had actually been in samadhi he would > have > > felt nothing from that nail, not even a pinprick. But he was just > > pretending, so he felt it all. Everyone was so stunned that I had > > time to rush out the door to where an accomplice was waiting in > the > > getaway car, and off we sped. I don't like to think about what > might > > have happened to me had I been caught!"'" > > That's good and I hope BBrigante responds, however, a Yogi in CC to > the level of Brahman would have inner and outer fullness (purnamadah > puramidam) and would have been able to choose which way to react, > either to stop him OR to let the nail go in and show NO pain.
Good point, BillyG. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
