--- In [email protected], t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: <snip> > > > But forget about the numbers. Assume a group of only > > > ten people who have had no personal experience that > > > they would call "spiritual," never in their entire > > > lives. > > How would you know?
He's saying they've never had an experience *they themselves* would call "spiritual." To know that, you ask them, "Have you ever had an experience you would call 'spiritual'?" Doesn't mean they haven't had experiences *he* would call "spiritual," however. They could well have had such experiences but not thought of them as spiritual. > You know everybodies heart and mind don't you? > Maybe you are limiting what you call spiritual to a certain type of > experience like witnessing etc. Also, he's defining "faith" in such a way as to *exclude* spiritual experience. That isn't necessarily the way religious people define it. Faith can be a function of experience, or it can *itself* be an experience, e.g., of effortless surrender. In talking to these people, or to priests, you have to be sure you mean the same thing by those terms as they do. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
