--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> 
> > > But forget about the numbers. Assume a group of only
> > > ten people who have had no personal experience that
> > > they would call "spiritual," never in their entire
> > > lives. 
> How would you know?

He's saying they've never had an experience *they
themselves* would call "spiritual."  To know that,
you ask them, "Have you ever had an experience you
would call 'spiritual'?"

Doesn't mean they haven't had experiences *he*
would call "spiritual," however.  They could well
have had such experiences but not thought of them
as spiritual.

> You know everybodies heart and mind don't you?
> Maybe you are limiting what you call spiritual to a certain type of
> experience like witnessing etc.

Also, he's defining "faith" in such a way as to
*exclude* spiritual experience.  That isn't
necessarily the way religious people define it.
Faith can be a function of experience, or it can
*itself* be an experience, e.g., of effortless
surrender.  In talking to these people, or to
priests, you have to be sure you mean the same
thing by those terms as they do.

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