--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <no_reply@> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> 
> wrote:
> <snip>
> > > > But forget about the numbers. Assume a group of only
> > > > ten people who have had no personal experience that
> > > > they would call "spiritual," never in their entire
> > > > lives. 
> > 
> > How would you know?
> He's saying they've never had an experience *they
> themselves* would call "spiritual."  To know that,
> you ask them, "Have you ever had an experience you
> would call 'spiritual'?"
> Doesn't mean they haven't had experiences *he*
> would call "spiritual," however.  They could well
> have had such experiences but not thought of them
> as spiritual.
> > You know everybodies heart and mind don't you?
> > Maybe you are limiting what you call spiritual to a certain type 
> > experience like witnessing etc.
> Also, he's defining "faith" in such a way as to
> *exclude* spiritual experience.  That isn't
> necessarily the way religious people define it.
> Faith can be a function of experience, or it can
> *itself* be an experience, e.g., of effortless
> surrender.  In talking to these people, or to
> priests, you have to be sure you mean the same
> thing by those terms as they do.

I'll let you two talk. You seem convinced that
you "know" what everyone is "really" saying,
so it's kinda irrelevant for them to actually
say anything.  :-)

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