Very nice post. Satsang as a way of weaving ever more subtle self-delusions. Not being much of a Satsanger, I wouldn't know for sure, but it sounds very plausible.
--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My observation of having recently (over the last year) listened in on > a group of satsangers was that what I was experiencing was less a > "support group for enlightenment and a possible to way receive the > pointing out of own non-dual nature" but more a group which I could > describe as Spiritual Codependents. Such a dynamic would probably be > contingent on a large number of causes--I can only comment on the > patterns I've observed. > > In order for the group to work there has to be at least one person > claiming awakening/enlightenment, etc. and the idea is that the state > can be transmitted, passed on or facilitated. > > Once it hives off onto more than one person, a dynamic unfolds where > the enlightenmentee (the person who receives the recognition of their > own ever-present original face/awakenment) then becomes complicit > with the enlightentmenter, the transmitter of the state. The > receiver, in acknowledging their own recognition, *almost by default* > accepts the person who transmitted the state as also awakened. Since > this is often in a group setting the process repeats, each mutually > supporting the others in this "awakening" forming a web of agreement. > A "gentlements agreement" is silently reached "I support your > enlightenment and you support mine"--and there is almost always no > argument or critical debate allowed. This is a subtle, unconscious > agreement. Most do not seem aware of this subtle agreement as it is > sealed by intense happiness characteristic of peak experience(s). As > the group of "enlightmentees" grows, so does the potential complicit > contractual agreement which is never spoken of in negative terms but > instead only in positive terms: the power of the satsang to awaken > others is actually the greatest gift in the world and anyone who > would think otherwise would either be ostracized or never dare speak. > An important point is, it doesn't matter if the if the state was > genuine, just that there was some experience. That state is often > "tested" in nebulous ways or not at all. In some cases there may > actually be a pointing out of the nondual state. This "pointing out" > is often confused with some enlightened state. Non-dual states of > awareness can be pointed out *by persons who are not enlightened* > but just have some people skills and good timing combined with some > intuition. The quiet self-supporting consensus is that the people who > are doing this are enlightened or "awakened". This seems to feed some > subtle spiritual ego which is very gratifying, almost unifying to the > group consciousness--albeit a group consciousness tinged with subtle > unspoken attachments and bound by quiet agreement. It's as if the > group has achieved an ego that is self-supporting. > > I wonder if a possible mechanism for this dynamic could be > codependents who actually can expand their own sense of ego and weave > them into/onto groups. I actually wonder a number of possibilities, > but this was one of them. This diminishes and removes their own sense > of codependence and passes it on to a larger structure: codependent > collective consciousness. > > There are other issues in such a dynamic, but this is one important > one IME. > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
