--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > <snip> perhaps I felt it in bad > > form to talk of my own pointing-out and recognition, brag > > about it in public or discuss the details of how the View > > was tested and verified? I know it's all the rage, > > discussing of "experiences" and so on--but didn't you > > ever wonder about those who knew the point of > > non-discussion of experience? > > Just want to add that in my case I am not bragging. What > is there to brag about? > > The reasons I discuss my experience of awakening openly > is, one, because there is an opportunity to do so, where > at least some of the folks reading understand what is > being discussed, and two, I personally feel that it is > important to let people know that ordinary chumps, like > me, can achieve such a state.
May I state for the record that this is *exactly* how your contributions in this regard have always been perceived by me. I share both your relief at finding a place where such things *can* be discussed without *too* much negative feedback (there is always some...it comes with the territory). And I also share the intent you expressed -- I think it's important for Ordinary People to be open about having had Ordinary Enlightenment Experiences. It's *not* some- thing that only happens to the "holy" or the "pure" or those who "follow all the rules." Sometimes it happens to just the weirdest people in the world, for no other reason than it just happens to them. One of the things I tried to do in my book was to consciously bounce the reader back and forth between descriptions of experiences that many of them have previously only associated with the "pure" and the "holy," and then immediately afterwards provide a reminder that these experiences -- for whatever reason -- were being had by a person who still drank coffee and liquor, who womanized, and who very much did *not* "follow the rules." I think it's important to present such experiences *AS* ordinary, *AS IF* they could happen to anyone, anywhere, anytime. Because they do. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
