--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], new_morning_blank_slate > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], new_morning_blank_slate > > > > > > >>May I take a stab at integrating your insights/realizations/ > > > >>\knowledge -- which btw, relate beyond point 3.3 -- into the > > > >>perenial DRAFT FFL Sutras, v1.1? > > > > Turquoise Blue ? wrote: > > Turquoise Bee. > > > > > Or you could masturbate in public. Both activities > > > > strike me as having about the same value. :-) > > > > Perhaps you are right, and perhaps I am naive in thinking such > > a list would have value for this group. On the other hand, it > > seems to me that it could provide a boon of insight into > > others' posts -- and the underlying experiences upon which > > they are based, as well as clarifying our own.
You have provided some superb examples of my points. > You are welcome to give it a shot. Personally, I don't > think that the description of enlightenment experiences > does any good whatsoever, I would agree whole heartedly in that as one of the sutras that corresponds to my view is "general use of labels such as 'Awakening' and 'Enlightenment', and discussion of spiritual experiences that solely reference an umbrella label of spiritual development, such as "enlightenment" tends to distort communications and in the current age has diminishing value for multi-disciplinary discussions and communications. And as I said in my last post, "...it seems that when a posters main ideas are "read back" to them, the points and the overal view ...are quite off base. People end up arguing to the wind, not to the views expressed. ..." The sutras are not, or at least are more than a descriptions of "alternative states". Certainly some sutras are about experiences (views based on experiences -- not dry conceptualizations). And in some cases they are "axioms" such as "one has control over action alone, not over its fruit". Some sutras are views that facilitate understanding. Such as the point you made recently (made a number of times previously by others) that experiences and interpretation of experiences are two distinct things. > except possibly to those who > have already had similar experiences, and who thus can > feel some resonance in another's attempted description > of what they know to be indescribable. Again, you appear to have interpreted or presumed something from my post that either was not there or lat least not intended. Your premise appears to be that the list is an intellectual thing and as such has little value. The consensus sutras are such because everyone has had that experience. The divergent points relate to experience are experientially based -- though not everyone has had that same experience. This indicates that various parties may at a deeper level agree, but they are interpreting and expressing their experiences differently. Or that some experiences are unique to some people. > I believe that when it comes to experiences of realiz- > ation, there is the experience itself and then there > is everything else. > As I said before, listening to or > reading the description of a realization experience is > to realization as watching porn is to real sex. All fine points but don't really relate to my post. Unless you are saying your post the other day on interpretation of experiences was worthless and an exercise parallel to porn (vs sex). ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
