--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> 
> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> 
wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > > > In the Buddhist view, the richest, most successful
> > > > > person in the world, living in a perfectly-aligned
> > > > > S-V house but still attached to his desires, will
> > > > > be lost in suffering. Whereas the poor person who
> > > > > lives in a cardboard box, if he is not attached to 
> > > > > his desires, is beyond suffering.
> > > > 
> > > > But what if living in a perfectly aligned S-V house
> > > > makes it easier to break the attachment to desires?
> > > 
> > > See above. The longer the primary proponent of S-V
> > > hides inside his S-V house, the larger his demands 
> > > for money get and the more dire his pronouncements 
> > > of what will happen to the world if he *doesn't* 
> > > receive the money he's demanding get. 
> > > 
> > > Does this look to you as if S-V reduces either one's
> > > desires or the attachment to them?
> > 
> > Damn.  I could have *sworn* I included a disclaimer
> > that I wasn't saying the theory worked.  Let me see...
> > 
> > Yup, I did.  But you seem to have deleted it from
> > your response:
> 
> Did you see anything in the *question* asked of
> you above that implies you *did* say that that 
> the theory worked?

Sure.  It was a rhetorical question.  And you make
it explicit below, when you claim I was "defending"
the theory:

> I was asking a question to see if you'd answer
> instead of sitting on the fence spouting disclaimers
> *while* defending the theory. Guess not...  :-)

Again, you confuse "defending" a theory with stating
what the theory *is*.  I was doing the latter, not the
former.  As I said, if one is comparing *views*, it's
important to correctly, and completely, *state* the
views.

Then one can move on to discussing whether one view
works better than another.

I have no idea whether MMY's S-V theory "works."  I
don't live in an S-V home and don't know anybody who
does.  I don't know whether MMY is "hiding" in his S-V
home or whether he's too frail to leave it.  I don't
know whether his demands for money represent desires
to which he's attached.

And neither do you.

But you have a desire to belittle MMY's theories,
behavior, and state of consciousness, to which
you're obviously very much attached; "what is" is
not acceptable to you.  For that matter, you're
very firmly attached to your desire to belittle
anybody who doesn't see things the way you do.

> > > > (I'm not saying it does, just that if one is comparing
> > > > *views*, it's important to include that aspect of MMY's
> > > > view.)






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