--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <no_reply@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <no_reply@> 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister 
> <no_reply@> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Is TM dhyânam, as defined in Maharshi Patañjali's
> > > > > > Yoga-darshanam (yoga-suutras)?
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > I believe that MMY says TM is the simplest and most 
important 
> > > form of 
> > > > > it.
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > In aSTânga-yoga pratyâhâra is before dhâraNâ and dhyânam,
> > > > but IMO in TM pratyâhâra usually "happens" after one has 
> > > > meditated for a while.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Well, MMY has always claimed that people have reversed the 
order 
> in 
> > > which things are practiced in the Yoga Sutras... What is 
> pratyâhâra 
> > > again?
> > >
> > 
> > II 54
> > 
> > sva-viSayaasaMprayoge citta-svaruupaanukaara
> > ivendriyaaNaaM pratyaahaaraH
> > 
> > sva-viSaya (their) own-object(s)
> > asaMprayoge  not coming into contact
> > citta (of) the individual mind's
> > sva-ruupa  own form; nature
> > anukaaraH  the imitating or functioning according to
> > iva  as if; like
> > indriyaaNaam  by the senses
> > pratyaahaaraH  abstraction
> > 
> > Taimni's translation:
> > 
> > Pratyaahaara or abstraction is, as it were, the 
> > imitation  by the senses of the mind by withdrawing
> > themselves from their objects.
> >
> 
> Wow. That's a toughee to wrap my poor little brain around.
> 
> I think "imitation" is a bad use there because it involves, in 
> English at least, the very term that is being defined.
> 
> Perhaps: abstraction is a function of the senses in the mind when 
> they are withdrawn from the original object of perception.
>

How about this:

http://www.swamij.com/yoga-sutras-25455.htm





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