--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > > > Regarding the Onion, I can't cite specific jokes about black people > > *as a group*, or of Jews *as a group*, or of Muslims *as a group*, > > but I almost can -- I have a generalized memory of things along > > those lines. Lets look for them as an interesting exercise. Which > > ties to my larger point -- that there are a number of comedians and > > forums that don't exclusively target any group, and also don't > > refrain from targeting any group. > > Well, it ties to your larger point if these comedians > and forums make fun of blacks/Jews/Muslims etc. as a > group in the same way, i.e., to demean them. "Demean" > is probably the key word here--as is my qualification > about folks who are born into the group or who grew up > with a particular behavior characteristic of the group. > > Behavioral *choices*, especially those made in adulthood, > are another matter entirely. As I said, they're fair game > as far as I'm concerned. > > > The Onion, John Stewart, the Corbert Report, SNL, Mad TV,etc. Its > > the universality of their highlighting the foibles of all and any > > group that make them immune IMO to charges of bigotry. If you look > > at some sketches individually, they can look ghastly bigoted -- but > > when the work is taken as a whole, one realizes it humor aimed at > > the entire human comedy, not individual groups. > > Yes, I understand the point you're making. However, I'd > be really, really surprised if any of these people or > shows have ever made jokes that demeaned blacks for being > lazy, or Jews for being stingy, say, *unless* it was in > the context of making fun of the folks who say such things > seriously. >
Ok. I see your point. I am not arguing, but exploring. Lets look at various comedy over the next month or so and see. Just off the top of my head -- some comedy that possibly "demean" some groups and stereotypes -- but does so in the context of so many mult-dimensional barbs aimed at many others that it is not bigoted (these are top of my head, hypotheses - not firm arguments ) Jack (Will and Grace) [gays are queens] Pheobe (Friends) [blondes -- and women -- are ditzy] Gracie (Burns and Allen) [Women -- are ditzy] Tony (Taxi) [Italians are big, lunks with limited brains] Ross (Friends) [Jews are intellectual geeks] Latka (Taxi) [foreigners are dumb] Early Rachel (Friends) [Jewish suburban girls are princesses] All (South Park)[skewers most every one] Redd Foxx (Sanford and Sons ) [Blacks are uneducated, boisterous and crude] Seinfeld (Jerry) [Jews are clever but whiny] Eddie Murphy (48 Hours) [Blacks are uppity] Eddie Murphy (SNL Buckwheat) [Blacks are slow and dumb] All (Blazing Saddles) [So many "demeaning characterizations -- where to start .. Blacks are lazy and shiftless, WASPS are bumbling and corrupt, back woods hillbillies are stupid ...] HotLips, Hawkeye... MASH [.....] Ben Stiller (Meet the Fawkers,...) [Jews are .. , WASPs are ...., Women are ..., Men are ... ] Eddie Murphy, (Bowfinger) [Blacks... ] Steve Martin (The Jerk) [Blacks,Whites ...] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
