--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Apr 17, 2006, at 8:22 AM, sparaig wrote: > > > > It does not advocate "control" but leaves it to the individual to > > > find a medium between attention and total relaxation. When this is > > > not done properly you get problems like those often seen in TM: > > > falling asleep and slouching, bad asana or posture--see the old > > > thread here on "torpor" during TM practice and the numerous reports > > > of sleeping during TM. For a good example of bad vs. good posture > > see > > > the CBS sunday morning video recently which showed slouching TMer's > > > and then a group of mindfulness meditators in excellent posture. If > > > you talk to experienced meditators who observe TMers, one of the > > > common observations is that TMers "don't know how to sit". And it > > > causes problems, particularly with excessive thoughts. > > > > Or perhaps this is all projection on your part... > > Actually it's the direct experience of many TMers. > > There are typically two prerequisites for mantra-diksha: one is > posture, the other is correct breathing. What you find when this is > ignored is problems arise which could have been prevented if you are > just taught the proper way in the first place. But that's what > happens when the purity of the tradition is distorted, a common > feature of some McMeditation techniques.
Or perhaps TM is pure and yours isn't... > > > > All beginning meditators will have an aspect of their practice where > > > they return to discursive thought and then return to their > > meditative > > > object. If you read the article (which it would seem you did not) > > you > > > would see clearly where the mechanics of this are clearly described > > > as the preliminary stages of this method--but it is only a beginning > > > part. Eventually attentional stability and vividness increase. Not > > > attaining this and being stuck in continuous patterns of discursive > > > thought is likened to trying to look at a star through a telescope > > > while bouncing about on a bicycle--there is no stability with which > > > examine consciousness with. > > > > > > How does consciousnes examine itself? > > I thought the article answered this very nicely. Are you sure you > read it? Only if you accept certain definitions of consciousness as valid... > > > > > And what the hell is "discursive thought?" > > "Mind chatter". In Sanskrit it is called "vitarka". > So what of emotive thought? Is that discursive? What of profoundly intuitive thought? Is that discursive? Etc. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
