--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Apr 17, 2006, at 12:01 PM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > But IS it the same state?
> >
> >
> > The brainwave coherence study that Vaj likes to tout is only
> > concerning the very high (for EEG) frequency gamma band, whereas 
TM-
> > induced coherence is over all frequencies save, perhaps, the gamma
> > band. The state induced by TM practice apparently gets more
> > pronounced during meditation for about 4 months and then 
stabilizes.
> > However, the state outside meditation continues to become more
> > pronounced over decades of practice. The Buddhist meditation EEG
> > coherence appears to continue to get more and more pronounced 
during
> > meditation as time goes on. The gamma band EEG of the Buddhist
> > meditation is associated with paying attention to specific 
objects.
> > The alpha band EEG is associated with being alert, period.
> >
> >
> > There's no research that I can find (nor can the Esalen Institute)
> > that document breath suspension during Buddhist meditation, 
whereas
> > there are several studies on hundreds of individuals who show this
> > during TM practice.
> >
> > There's no mention of correlation between EEG changes and
> > enlightenment in any of the research that Vaj mentions, whereas
> > that's one of the big areas of study for EEG and brain imaging at 
MUM
> > currently.
> 
> The way I would show the same EEG pattern if I wanted to duplicate  
> "witnessing" on the EEG is to do ishta meditation with a mantra 
(what  
> Tibetans call yidam practice). It duplicates the same EEG 
signature  
> as TMers doing ishta mantra. Very easy to do.
>

Documentation of this "same EEG signature" is found where?





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