--- In [email protected], "anonyff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > On Apr 17, 2006, at 1:08 PM, sparaig wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > > There's plenty of people who claim plenty of things. 
However, 
> > I'm
> > > > > > still waiting for documentation of your claim as in 
research
> > > > > > published in peer reviewed journals.
> > > > >
> > > > > And why are you waiting for that?
> > > > >
> > > > > You need to get out more dude.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > In other words, you don't have any evidence of your claims 
beyond 
> > Ken
> > > > Wilber playing games with a home EEG machine.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > LOL. No I'm just not obsessed with the map, I prefer the 
territory  
> > > itself.
> > > 
> > > Why are you so shocked about this? Has TM conditioned you to 
> > believe  
> > > people *can't* transcend for more than a couple of minutes of 
> > apnea?  
> > > It really seems to other you what Wallace is saying. Shouldn't 
we 
> > all  
> > > be happy?
> > >
> > 
> > I suspect that what you call transcending is not the same as what 
> > TMers call transcending. Given that TMers don't report 
transcending 
> > during TM until after-the-fact, this is hardly surprising...
> >
> 
> Where oh where did you come up with that? I've clearly sat smack dab
> in the middle of the transcendent for long periods during TM
> meditation and stayed there for long periods of time, been fully 
aware
> of myself, my thoughts, even been really bored, etc. during these 
long
> periods. I asked Maharishi in person, about it and he said it was
> exactly what it seemed like, growth of CC with the ability to 
maintain
> pure consciousness along with thoughts, etc.
>

Sure, but that's not samadhi-by-itself.







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