wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "jyouells2000" <jyouells@> wrote:
>
> > As far as I know only Maharishi has ever asserted that levitation is
> > an objective manifestation of unity. ... I certainly don't know if
> that assertion is true, and tend to doubt it.
> >
> > JohnY
>
>
> Because its inconvenient? To have some non-subjective
> non-self-interpreative means to point to higher states?
>
> Objective reality gets in the way of some story-tellers -- which to
> them [the stories] form a higher truth than measurement, multi-party
> verification or repeatability.
>
> Fred Travis' work is interesting. Though I have not dug that deeply
> into it. But physiological correlates to higher states and "more
> refined functioning of the nervous system" has always a theme with
> MMY, even back in the 60s.
>
> Its not clear why many appear so harsh, or negatively reactive about
> MMY's theme of siddhi's performance and higher states. (And I have
> heard him say it.)
>
> Its not clear why Fred and his gear are not invited to Satsangs. Maybe
> he has been. Or maybe its the same propensity for stories over
> measurement, multi-party verification or repeatability.
>
> The latter is what brought the world out of the dark ages. But, hey,
> stories are good too, entertaining, inspiring and all. And the dark
> ages had their moments.
I was also wondering what exactly was so spiritually transformative
about observing levitation- I mean if it really happened. Lets say, I
see an airplane in the sky, it doesn't mean that I am spiritual,
right? But if somebody says, well I had this great spiritual
experience of seeing somebody levitating, then he is oviously denying
that it is a purely objective phenomenon himself.
Another, related question is, how would witnessing such a levitation
just as an onlooker change yourself? That for me would be more valid
in my eyes. Lets say some tribal people in Africa see a plane first
time, and as they don't know about our civilsation, they think its a
vimana of some spirits. They might actually feel blessed, and will
narate this event their whole life, how they saw the vimana of the
spirits. Point here is again, that objective phenomenon, if they were,
wouldn't really have any spiritual value, especially not for the onlooker.
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