wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@>
> > wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > The seeker instead hears these, and having gained a glimpse of
one
> > > or many of the hallmarks of each of these states, may mistake
the
> > > relative achievement of CC or GC or UC as the goal, instead of
the
> > > proper action of not taking such experiences too seriously and
> > > instead remaning focused on the true goal of Tiddly-Winks.
> >
> > I've always understood them as experiential benchmarks,
> > not as end points. MMY's been pretty clear, in my
> > understanding, at least, that none of these were the
> > ultimate goal but rather stages along the way. And I
> > can't recall any other TMers speaking of these as if
> > they were ultimate goals.
> >
> I am curious if you thought of them as established states, in other
> words, once we attained GC, it was permanent, until our growing
> into UC, or was it more like, OK, I've had some GC experiences, but
> now it has faded away and I am myself again, seeking "Tiddly-Winks"?
It seems to me that the terms describe both (a) types of
experience and (b) permanent states, and it's the context
that determines which is meant. In the second sense, the
*definition*, in MMY's lingo, is that this type of
experience has become permanent, i.e., it doesn't "fade
away," although it can develop further to the next level,
and ultimately they all "fade away" in Tiddly-Winks.
With CC-type experience, we use two different terms
for the temporary vs. permanent experience: witnessing
for the temporary experience, CC for the permanent,
24/7 experience. Maybe if we had similar dual terms
for the other two there wouldn't be so much confusion.
Obviously people do have experiences of the states
that are temporary (and they don't necessarily come
in strict sequence).
Also, they aren't distinct states so much as a continuum
of developing experience on which MMY has placed markers
at certain (arbitrary?) points, mainly as a convenient
means of discussing how experience develops.
But this is a linear model, so it can't possibly
accurately represent what really goes on.
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