Don't know Pat, but I agree...give credit where it's due. I never hesitate to mention MIU when somebody asks me where I went to school. It was still a great place to go back then (early 90s) and hadn't yet gotten too weird.

Amazing he didn't get caught at some of those activities, (and that he was able to hide them well enough to go to TTC while others were kept off for far lesser reasons) considering the level of spying going on at that point, or so I thought.

Sal


On May 6, 2006, at 6:02 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:

I only knew him from passing but he was at MIU for the several years
when I was there ('75-'79).  Seemed pleasant enough.  I remember him
as being very talkative...that's about it.

But what you say above reminds me a bit of Pat Ryan who was also at
MIU at the same time. Ryan also left the Movement and became an
infamous TM-EX.  I don't want to knock the guy too much but when I
knew Pat it was when as a 17 or 18 year old he had just arrived at
MIU and was skeptical and cynical about the teaching and went out of
his way to find out "secrets" and go to meetings that anti-TM
fundamentalists were holding in town and then corresponding with
them for years afterwards.  I mention this because years later when
he then became a TM teacher and then years later left the TMO he
made it seem that all the revelations about TM that he had come to
realize were new to him.  The reality was that he was told all of
this stuff by the fundies about 15 years prior.  So he knew exactly
what he was getting into and he can't feign innocence about having
the wool pulled over his eyes by the evil cult.

Another thing about Pat (and I should say I thought he was a sweet
kid...kinda  like a puppy dog who would follow you everywhere): when
Pat came to MIU he was illiterate.  That is, he wrote and read at,
literally, a Grade 2 or 3 level.  To his credit, that first year he
worked his ass off improving himself and bringing himself up to a
level where he was pretty much at par with everyone else.  But I
mention this because: 1) MIU accepted him despite this handicap
(okay, they were probably desparate for students and this was
probably their motivation); and 2) teachers, TAs and others at MIU
helped Pat overcome his illiteracy.  It would be nice that while he
trashed the TMO and all things TM, he could acknowledge their part
in helping him overcome his illiteracy.

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