to the "victims" being underage. Thus, they (some, many, all?) were
not adults. Thus, they were victims.
In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "feste37" <feste37@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "wayback71" <wayback71@>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], "Ingegerd"
> > > <marwincornyarmand@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I have been working with women that has been abused. And I
> have
> > > no
> > > > > doubt that a sexual relationship between the Guru/Maharishi
> and
> > > a
> > > > > devotee, is abuse. The feelings of love that we had for MMY
> > > (both
> > > > > men and women), the power of his charisma, made these women
> to
> > > > > victims. snip>
> > >
> > > It can be difficult for men to understand how a woman feels
when
> an
> > > unwanted person expresses sexual interest in her. What can
help
> > > men "get it" is to think of how it would feel to all you
> > > heterosexual guys to have another man come on to you, touch
you,
> etc
> > > etc. IN addition, there is the huge issue of abuse of power.
> > > Imagine your male guru or mentor doing it, using you.
> > >
> > > feste37 wrote:
> > > > How do you know what happened? Were you there? You talk
> > > about "abuse"
> > > > and "victims" but you can't possibly know what actually went
> on,
> > > if anything.
> > > > Why are you so ready to assign blame for incidents you know
so
> > > little about?
> > > >
> > > I think that based on reading the Files here and the FFL
> > > discussions, she believes these things happened. In these
> > > situations there are never other people around...
> >
> >
> > I just think that to call these women "victims" is pathetic. They
> weren't victims
> > of anything. They were adult women who were free to do whatever
> they
> > wanted. They weren't coerced. And as far as abuse of power is
> concerned, it
> > seems to me that if these incidents did occur, it was the women
> who held the
> > power over the guru, not the other way round.
> >
>
> Except for the last point, I wholeheartedly agree.
>
> A few years ago I made this very point when someone who had been
> involved with Muktananda and had been abused had visited our site.
> After I said what I did, one of the FFL members emailed me on the
> side telling me how horrible I was to suggest such a thing.
>
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