<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- Hmmmm....Muktananda's case differed since strong evidence
points
> to the "victims" being underage. Thus, they (some, many, all?)
were
> not adults. Thus, they were victims.
Yes. If someone is under the age of majority, then it is clearly
rape or statutory rape.
However, the person in question who was on this forum talking about
her Muktananda experience was an adult when it happened.
>
>
>
> In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" <shempmcgurk@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "feste37" <feste37@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "wayback71" <wayback71@>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [email protected], "Ingegerd"
> > > > <marwincornyarmand@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I have been working with women that has been abused. And
I
> > have
> > > > no
> > > > > > doubt that a sexual relationship between the
Guru/Maharishi
> > and
> > > > a
> > > > > > devotee, is abuse. The feelings of love that we had for
MMY
> > > > (both
> > > > > > men and women), the power of his charisma, made these
women
> > to
> > > > > > victims. snip>
> > > >
> > > > It can be difficult for men to understand how a woman feels
> when
> > an
> > > > unwanted person expresses sexual interest in her. What can
> help
> > > > men "get it" is to think of how it would feel to all you
> > > > heterosexual guys to have another man come on to you, touch
> you,
> > etc
> > > > etc. IN addition, there is the huge issue of abuse of
power.
> > > > Imagine your male guru or mentor doing it, using you.
> > > >
> > > > feste37 wrote:
> > > > > How do you know what happened? Were you there? You talk
> > > > about "abuse"
> > > > > and "victims" but you can't possibly know what actually
went
> > on,
> > > > if anything.
> > > > > Why are you so ready to assign blame for incidents you
know
> so
> > > > little about?
> > > > >
> > > > I think that based on reading the Files here and the FFL
> > > > discussions, she believes these things happened. In these
> > > > situations there are never other people around...
> > >
> > >
> > > I just think that to call these women "victims" is pathetic.
They
> > weren't victims
> > > of anything. They were adult women who were free to do
whatever
> > they
> > > wanted. They weren't coerced. And as far as abuse of power is
> > concerned, it
> > > seems to me that if these incidents did occur, it was the
women
> > who held the
> > > power over the guru, not the other way round.
> > >
> >
> > Except for the last point, I wholeheartedly agree.
> >
> > A few years ago I made this very point when someone who had been
> > involved with Muktananda and had been abused had visited our
site.
> > After I said what I did, one of the FFL members emailed me on
the
> > side telling me how horrible I was to suggest such a thing.
> >
>
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