--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> 
> wrote:
> >
> <snip> 
> > As I understand it, CC, GC, UC (etc.) refer to
> > specific types of experience at certain points
> > along a continuum of experience. I'm not sure
> > of the distinction Vaj is making between "state"
> > and "stage," but again in my understanding there
> > would be points along the continuum of development
> > of consciousness at which each of these types of
> > experience becomes permanent.  These points would
> > be sequential in the sense that permanent UC
> > would not be achieved until after permanent GC had
> > been achieved, and permanent GC would not occur
> > until after permanent CC had been achieved.
> > 
> > This does *not* mean that one cannot have 
> > experiences of UC before even permanent CC has
> > been achieved, and so on.  So in that sense
> > they aren't sequential; they're sequential in
> > terms of the order in which each becomes
> > permanent, in my understanding of what MMY
> > teaches.
> > 
> Yes, that is my understanding based on my experience also. By 
> culturing the nervous system through TM and TM-Sidhis alternating  
> with activity, our physiology becomes refined to do exactly as you 
> say above; each state (CC, GC, UC) becomes a permanent stepping 
> stone to the next one above it. Also as you say, we can have 
> intermittent experiences of advanced states before they are 
> permanent. You are absolutely correct.

Well, good!

I still think part of the confusion about all this
has to do with the arbitrariness of the points that
are identified as GC and UC (CC is a different case).

In other words, MMY identifies, for example, the GC
point as the set of experiences D, E, and F; but he
could just as well have chosen a point a little
farther along the continuum and defined it as the set
of experiences E, F, and G.  My guess is he chose
the GC point as he did simply because experiences E,
F, and G happen to have a sort of logical coherence
for explanatory purposes.  (Same for UC and points
beyond.)

Not that any of these are really discrete "points";
it's just a matter of focusing somewhere on the
continuum and taking a snapshot, as it were, and
then identifying the types of experiences that show
up in the snapshot.  Not that the experiences are
discrete, either...it's sort of like taxonomy, where
the lines between species can be quite blurred; we 
impose the system that distinguishes them for our
own convenience.






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